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10-23-2012 02:54 AM  5 years agoPost 21
McKrackin

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I want a Bergen turbine someday

I literally never use the word literally right.

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10-23-2012 03:08 AM  5 years agoPost 22
ebonicrobot

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I'm also cheap, but I don't mind paying a lil extra for a good quality heli.

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10-23-2012 03:11 AM  5 years agoPost 23
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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If you can build a helicopter which is inexpensive and innovative, then go for it. But do something new. We see how technology has progressed from mechanical mixing to CCPM to flybarless to electric. Try to invent something new.

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10-23-2012 03:29 AM  5 years agoPost 24
Futura SE

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I hope you have about $250,000 to invest to do it. The learning curve would be straight vertical. If it is all American made no way we can afford it. Americans who can do the quality needed to be on Henseleit's level or etc. will require a $50K a year salary. Not to be a jerk, but I SERIOUSLY doubt you have a foggy concept of what it would take to bring a cutting edge 600 class to market. Might as well make a 700 class. Won't be any more expensive to prototype.

If you can prove me wrong I will be first to appologise and buy your first production model.

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10-23-2012 03:44 AM  5 years agoPost 25
Raptorz499

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700....go 800

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10-23-2012 03:51 AM  5 years agoPost 26
777ER

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There's USA made helis by:
MA
Bergen
Avant

and a few more I can't remember off the top of my head.

-Chris

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10-23-2012 03:54 AM  5 years agoPost 27
Ace Dude

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If you have $250k to spend you'd probably be better off buying an existing company rather than starting from scratch. IMHO the market is over saturated and at some point there will be some consolidation.

  

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10-23-2012 03:28 PM  5 years agoPost 28
Rogman88

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I was talking to Dave Dahl as the XXXtreme was about to be released and the Logo 700 was in the works. There is a huge overhead getting off the ground with machining, molding, research, etc...If you already do machine work, have a shop, materials for other purposes, then the transition from vacumes to helicopters (like Align) isn't that big of deal. If you are building from the ground up, you will incure a heavy amount of debt just getting the equipment to mass produce your product. That will have to be passed on to the consumer. I've also talked to another helicopter designer who stated that the only feasible way to mass produce his new helicopter line was to outsource to chinese labor. He used to design for Outrage and knows the ins and outs of helicopter design and production. Research this thouroughly before commiting to it. If you can build a light weight heli along the lines of the TDR, with a price comparable to other non-boutique helicopters, you may be on to something.

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10-23-2012 03:44 PM  5 years agoPost 29
Mike Fortin

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've also talked to another helicopter designer who stated that the only feasible way to mass produce his new helicopter line was to outsource to chinese labor.
I don't see that with Miniature Aircraft and their models as they have been mass produced here in the USA for the past 25 years.

It is the case when you don't have the resources available stateside or the money to do it in the US. However, the ability to manufacture good products here in the US still exists so going to China is NOT a must.

While taking business overseas will increase your profit margins, it decreases the overall quality of the product in many cases.

At this point, quality amongst consumers is more of an afterthought as long as they can buy a $600 helicopter which may or may not come with customer service...let alone incredible customer service.

Unfortunately low price is king these days.

Have Rotors, Will Fly!

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10-23-2012 03:56 PM  5 years agoPost 30
fla heli boy

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not speaking for Chris, but part of why they're viable is because of the cost of making parts for them, in that they dactually make their own parts and the machines were already in their posession.
I think it's a great idea and I support your dream. However, I would think you might want to go bigger than 500. The cost to make a 700 part would be comparable to punching out 500 parts and lets face it, people that fly big birds have more disposable money. Spending 8-900 on a 700/800 is acceptable. Spending 7-800 on a 500??? Not so much. Whatever you do, design something different. I've thought about it myself, but that's a LOT of upfront money I just don't have. Plus, wharehousing of spare parts, people to run the CNC and mills, office gal to take orders, somebody to pack and ship....I get a headache just thinking about it.
But I sure do wish you the best of luck!!

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10-23-2012 03:58 PM  5 years agoPost 31
unclejane

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I don't see that with Miniature Aircraft and their models as they have been mass produced here in the USA for the past 25 years.
It is the case when you don't have the resources available stateside or the money to do it in the US. However, the ability to manufacture good products here in the US still exists so going to China is NOT a must.
While taking business overseas will increase your profit margins, it decreases the overall quality of the product in many cases.
At this point, quality amongst consumers is more of an afterthought as long as they can buy a $600 helicopter which may or may not come with customer service...let alone incredible customer service.
Unfortunately low price is king these days.
What Mike said....

Another factor you have to consider when you outsource or absolutely demand the lowest price possible - you contribute directly to the destruction of your own customer base, if you intend to sell to US customers that is.

My industry (Software) is dominated by this type of organized crime; when SW companies die it's a case of not looking at what's actually eating you alive. All they know is, their customer base keeps shrinking and shrinking and they simply have no idea why.

Yet, all they'd need to do is go down to their local unemployment office and the full story would be immediately told as soon as they walked in the door - they'd even find a lot of their own former employees filling out paperwork who'd be more than happy to tell them where they went wrong.....

This is why we need more outfits like Miniature, who insist on using onshore resources. I bet the folks who work at Miniature are also Miniature customers - I know Mike is!

LS

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10-23-2012 05:33 PM  5 years agoPost 32
wrongler

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evansracecars......What do you think of all the different responses?

Bill Whittaker

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10-23-2012 05:40 PM  5 years agoPost 33
wingtip

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There's USA made helis by:
MA
Bergen
Avant
and a few more I can't remember off the top of my head.
LMH in laffyette, indiana (if theyre still around) Hardly what i call high quality when compared to other american made helis but its american made.

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10-23-2012 06:53 PM  5 years agoPost 34
Rogman88

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It is the case when you don't have the resources available stateside or the money to do it in the US. However, the ability to manufacture good products here in the US still exists so going to China is NOT a must.
Good points Mike. I think that may be the case as he is basically starting over from scratch without the backing of a large company in terms of materials and machines, much as the OP is intending to do.

High Voltage just works better

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10-23-2012 11:39 PM  5 years agoPost 35
icanfly

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Show us whatcha got!

here's the competition

http://www.miniatureaircraftusa.com...d=140&Itemid=86

http://yardbirdhelicopters.com/images-and-media/#

http://www.avantrc.com/

http://bergenrc.com/

etc.

if you think you can d o it better, go for it.

as they say, nothing ventured nothing gained.

Oh yea, Silverlit in china makes the helis for airhogs. I talked to a rep who said that they make pennies at the end of the day and would like to offer the customer more but it is pennies that make or break the deal. The company who produce airhogs is now worth 700 million after aquiring several other toy brands.

http://www.airhogs.com/en/products

A Toronto Canada company, North America.

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10-23-2012 11:49 PM  5 years agoPost 36
Noobyflyer

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Capture the spirit of the TDR/Diabolo and sign me up.

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10-24-2012 12:15 AM  5 years agoPost 37
Santiago P

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Capture the spirit of the TDR/Diabolo and sign me up
Capture?
I rather own the original article.

Santiago

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10-24-2012 12:27 AM  5 years agoPost 38
ebonicrobot

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True! But the Diablo is a beast.

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10-24-2012 12:27 AM  5 years agoPost 39
RCHSF

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evansracecars

I read your profile, and saw you build drag racing chassis. If you can weld aluminum, which I'm sure you can. And have access to a 3 axis cnc mill.

Yeah build a new Pod & Boom heli, around or with some of the available head and tail parts from various machines available. With your new frame design. A nice light weight aluminum tube frame, with a composite, or other pod would be awesome.

It may turn into more work, time and money than you expect. But in the end you'll have a one of a kind pod & boom.

Everyone, who is anyone may wish to buy it, but you may deside to only build just one.

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10-24-2012 12:30 AM  5 years agoPost 40
ebonicrobot

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So far I've owned one MA craft and currently own a Avant. Quality is top notch and pretty hard to beat at a cheap price.

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