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09-30-2012 08:48 PM  6 years agoPost 21
doorman

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+++ 1 ^^^^
For both Joel and the Doc...
I also have both, but prefer the clutch in!!!Hard to beat..

Stan

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09-30-2012 09:07 PM  6 years agoPost 22
munkey nuts

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i have benzine trainer and have converted to electric with no clutch.
theres a chap in our club who has one aswell and he has clutch, with the slow startup on mine its slower than his with the clutch.
the only alternative i would do would be to use a belt to drive the gear rather than a pinion straight on to the gear.

gaz

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09-30-2012 09:35 PM  6 years agoPost 23
neverhappy

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darksider
Glad to see that an old dog can learn new tricks copter doctor.

What size is your airwolf scaler? Mechs??

Jeffrey

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09-30-2012 11:28 PM  6 years agoPost 24
Copter Doctor

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with the slow startup on mine its slower than his with the clutch.
wow, thats interesting, maybe his slowstart on his esc isnt on as slow a setting as yours is without the clutchclutched or not, the electrics for scale have made their mark with me
for me the clutch is preferable as it seems and sounds more scale on spoolup, an effect the clutchless way comes close to, but not quite there, the sound of the power section winding up only seconds before the rotors start to move is pure sweetness. on another note, i too thought a clutched electric in a model thats powered by a recip engine wouldnt be sexy, but after seeing this on Stan's Bell47, i got turned on
Jeffery, my airwolf is century's 50 size with hirobo sceadu mechs

drive a rotary, fly a rotorcraft

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09-30-2012 11:32 PM  6 years agoPost 25
G-Limo

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realism in sound and looks when spooling up. once you hear and experience that, you wont want it any other way
Sorry Doc, but I prefer to save my motor bearings...

/DG

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09-30-2012 11:33 PM  6 years agoPost 26
neverhappy

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thanks
emile,

Thank's for the info. Jeffrey

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09-30-2012 11:46 PM  6 years agoPost 27
Copter Doctor

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Sorry Doc, but I prefer to save my motor bearings...
hey G-limo
just went back and read your previous post about the brngs on the elec motors dealing with all that mass and weight if there is an imbalance and totally agree. however, if everything is balanced as it should be and would be since if it wasnt, it would cause issues with more than just the motor,i am sure life would be fine with the motor and brngs. i dont htink the motor really notices an increase in load just because its spinning a clutch and bell as well. not only that, i thought the brngs in the motor only supported the spinning shaft with the clutch and bell spining on their own brngs. maybe i'm wrong. please dont get the impression that i think going with direct drive is uncool, i think its just icing on a very awsome tasting cake
Jeffery, anytime manno

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09-30-2012 11:48 PM  6 years agoPost 28
G-Limo

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No worries Doc... BTW - It's always good to read your posts!!

/DG

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09-30-2012 11:58 PM  6 years agoPost 29
Copter Doctor

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drive a rotary, fly a rotorcraft

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10-01-2012 12:01 AM  6 years agoPost 30
Joel Rosenzweig

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I corrected rotor disc sizes in my previous post. Sandy reminded me they are 2000mm discs. They are of course!!

Joel

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10-01-2012 12:45 AM  6 years agoPost 31
tintmaster

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Darkside
Great heli Emile! I really like the E-conversion for the fact you can do CCW rotation and NO MESS from the nitro!!!

Just call me Farmer Brown. 'Cause I know how to really plant 'em

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10-01-2012 02:02 AM  6 years agoPost 32
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G-Limo.. I've been flying my Huey (@23#)for 4 years now.. benzine mechanics Actro 32-4 through a clutch..(one of the first to do this) No issues... As many flights as I have on that old bird if bearings were a problem I would know it by now...

Just sayin'

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10-19-2012 01:36 AM  6 years agoPost 33
SSMKN2

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Electro conversion is the way to go in scalers. Nice not to worry about having the nitro tear up the paint. Purchased a used nitro bk117 from here that will get electrified, and a reprint to a polezei paint scheme, and the Burbank/Glendale NOTAR project is back in full swing. Picked up a five blade head for it today, now I'm just waiting on the ducted fan to arrive. Think hobby king shipped it from Hong Kong though thinking of making a short boom, custom belt and a tail gearbox rotated 90 degrees to make the input for the ducted fan. That way the tail force keeps In tune with the rotor rpm.

Joel
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10-19-2012 10:50 AM  6 years agoPost 34
Scott99

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Clutched "E" conversion
Thank you Emile for your help and also Wren Flyer for the info on the 600N conversion.
I have been running this now for a bit on stock fly bar with an average 25-30A draw on 1600 head speed @ 90% on the ESC and about 12 mins fight time - this will drop once in a fuselage but I'm ok with even 8 if it gets that low.
Motor ESC and Batt are only just warm to touch, so far so good....Motor KV is the 740 to go with the 8.5:1 of the Nitro gearing.
This set up is not intended for a multi set up as it will be my first scale attempt and want to keep it basic - but the clutch does work well and you can also adjust the slow start speed to fine tune to get what you want.

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