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09-26-2012 02:26 AM  6 years agoPost 41
fla heli boy

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and yet for the millionth time, reverts to Bush. Why can't you get it through your skull that basically NONE of us are/were Bush fans??? He was no conservative, he was a Rhino. We don't like him either. Get a new mantra man, this one is waaaaayy played out, 2nd to only the mighty race card. And in case you didn't notice, he's been home in Texas for 4 years now. When do you guys hold Obama responsible?? Ever??

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09-26-2012 02:45 AM  6 years agoPost 42
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"It's Bush's fault" is the liberal mantra, like pulling the race card three or four times per conversation. Very lacking on substance but high on BS.
As for the Dream Act during the Bush administration, at least the Constitution was followed in that case.

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09-26-2012 05:02 AM  6 years agoPost 43
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Just because both parties have dropped the ball for years on illegal immigration doesn't mean that we have to let the illegals just run rampant with our liberties!
If they want to vote make them get legal first!

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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10-09-2012 05:42 PM  6 years agoPost 44
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ROMNEY/RYAN 2012

Its gonna be a landslide victory for the dream team!! Nuff Said!

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10-09-2012 06:10 PM  6 years agoPost 45
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"It's Bush's fault" is the liberal mantra,
Just we still hear today from the conservative noise machine that it was Clinton's fault. For the entire 8 years of Bush that is ALL we heard, right up to the day he left office.

But this type of criticism evades the point. Bush did, in fact, leave the economy in a shambles. Trying to ignore that or pretend that it is not true i simply intellectually dishonest (in other words, stupid).

We can argue if Obama has done enough or done the right things to fix the mess, but we still need to recognize that it was Bush and his policies that caused the mess in the first place. Romney looks to want to go back to the "Good old Bush" days, which have proven to be a disaster.

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10-09-2012 06:38 PM  6 years agoPost 46
Dennis (RIP)

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Just we still hear today from the conservative noise machine that it was Clinton's fault. For the entire 8 years of Bush that is ALL we heard, right up to the day he left office.

But this type of criticism evades the point. Bush did, in fact, leave the economy in a shambles. Trying to ignore that or pretend that it is not true i simply intellectually dishonest (in other words, stupid).

We can argue if Obama has done enough or done the right things to fix the mess, but we still need to recognize that it was Bush and his policies that caused the mess in the first place. Romney looks to want to go back to the "Good old Bush" days, which have proven to be a disaster.
Bush was not a strong leader domestically. He obviously was not a conservative. He was more like a rhino repub.

But, there is a couple of things he did that most people completely ignore.

1)
The Bush tax cuts that are still in effect today.

2) The Bush tax cuts ultimately led to the single largest revenue increase in federal taxes in US history during the Bush years.

The Obummer and his pals with their totally out of control spending has completely blown any good Bush did by those 2 moves.

Thats why the USA has been downgraded twice during these Obummer years.

The Bro Has Gotta Go.

The Thrill Is Gone Baby.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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10-09-2012 06:47 PM  6 years agoPost 47
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The Good Old Day's : " We The People " THOSE Day's

Are returning like a vengeance !!!

OUR Government : Is FOR the People - AMERICAN's

Ran By THE People and

For THE PEOPLE

Those in Government are their BY OUR Choosing:

We are Governed BY OUR Free WILL - We ELECT THEM BY Choice

WE THE CITIZEN ALLOW THEM IN TRUST and Privilege to BE Governed

SO : THE AMERICAN CITIZEN ; Make's the Choices for the Decision's

IT'S THE WE PART

That is WHy if you are not a AMERICAN Citizen - Their is going to be

AND THEY STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND

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10-09-2012 07:41 PM  6 years agoPost 48
rander1

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Just we still hear today from the conservative noise machine that it was Clinton's fault. For the entire 8 years of Bush that is ALL we heard, right up to the day he left office.

But this type of criticism evades the point. Bush did, in fact, leave the economy in a shambles. Trying to ignore that or pretend that it is not true i simply intellectually dishonest (in other words, stupid).

We can argue if Obama has done enough or done the right things to fix the mess, but we still need to recognize that it was Bush and his policies that caused the mess in the first place. Romney looks to want to go back to the "Good old Bush" days, which have proven to be a disaster.
Phadreus

The reason for the bloated debt was due to the busting of the real estate bubble. The economy contracted thus shedding jobs, then by effect reducing tax revenues.

It's funny how one sided the bush tax cut argument is, tax revenues decreased but spending didnt adjust with it. So you blame the previous cuts for the problem, when if fact you cannot possibly quantify the positive effects that the tax cuts had over the years. Without them we all would be in a very different place now.... for better or for worse... you will never know. Why didnt they reduce spending when the economy collapsed? Why didnt they repeal the tax cuts? Even if you taxed the "Rich" 100% literally that would cover 7 days of interest payments on the debt.... Tax cuts are non-starter.

Now you need to look at the root cause of all of our problems.... the real estate bubble. How did it form? There is a lot of blame to be passed around, but in fact the problem lies at Fannie and Freddies feet.

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Barney Frank, Alan Greenspan, Nancy Pelosi, Clinton, and anyone else who allowed Fannie and Freddie to stand are DIRECTLY to blame for this. They MANDATED subprime loans to be MADE, then backed them with taxpayer dollars (Hence the bailouts). (Dont forget the repeal of Glass-Steagle, and the creation of Basel's)

It's private profit and public losses, the WORST type of systemic risk that could possibly exist. All of the CDO,CDS, and Derivatives are a by product of the root cause..... EASY MONEY

Today housing prices are falling to their intrinsic values and correcting as they should in a free market... and what are we doing??? Printing trillions of dollars to try and re-inflate the bubble again! No-one is in jail, the people that caused this are still in power and blaming other people.

Meanwhile you are fighting over two people who are identical (Rom vs. Obama) and your wealth is being gutted and stolen out from under while you are distracted.

Where's your home equity??? Yeah it was stolen, where is the extra money you need to pay for your gas, heat your home and feed your family, STOLEN through inflation by FED Money printing....

Ben bernanke should be the only person being debated right now, Romney and Obama are just pawns in this game of chess.

And today, what has changed? NOTHING! And Dodd-Frank is a joke

These banks need to broken up and we need to restore sanity to the business world. We have protected ourselves into disparity.

One last note on tax revenues, the poor actually receive net refunds in excess of what they make, so not only do they not pay any taxes, but they receive money from higher tax brackets that pay into the revenue pool. Furthermore, marginal tax rates are only part of the equation, the deductions and credits have the biggest impact on you overall tax rate (AKA effective tax rate)

What do you think your effective tax rate was last year? I bet you a lot of money you paid around 14% effective taxes. Thats the most common rate paid by all. This is because of the progressive rate structure.

The bottom two quin-tiles are biggest problem. In 2007 the bottom quin-tile received a 6.8% refund (or pay raise) for just being poor, financed by the rest of us.

That number is much bigger now, but unfortunately they stopped posting effective tax rates after 2007... wonder why.

There is 20% of the population on food stamps, these tax eaters are huge numbers.

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10-09-2012 08:00 PM  6 years agoPost 49
Dennis (RIP)

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Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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10-10-2012 12:13 AM  6 years agoPost 50
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Just we still hear today from the conservative noise machine that it was Clinton's fault.
Ahh those were the days... Al Gore and Clinton invented " the new economy" that we now stupidly call the "dot com bubble". Fecking sheep wont acknowledge Bush killed the new economy! We need Clinton and his "new economy" back!!!

Truth be told i would be happy to have Clinton back.

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10-10-2012 12:35 AM  6 years agoPost 51
rander1

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Ahh those were the days... Al Gore and Clinton invented " the new economy" that we now stupidly call the "dot com bubble". Fecking sheep wont acknowledge Bush killed the new economy! We need Clinton and his "new economy" back!!!

Truth be told i would be happy to have Clinton back.
What about clintons presidency, specifically, did he do well?

Do you not think the Community Reinvestment Act which created the subprime policies and expanded the FED's balance sheet, caused the real estate bubble?

It was clinton who signed it. Is he not to blame along with Frank, Pelosi, Greenspan, etc...??

What about Glass Steagle, what about SOX (The eroding, counterproductive, anti competitive, invasive, wasteful legistlation that added trillions of unecessary overhead to every C corp in the US)

Dont believe me? How is our manufacturing sector doing compared to the global economy?

Do you think Clinton's prestige (who was impeached by the way) was riding on the back of the decade of training and tooling in the 80's of computer technology?

Do you think that government legislation has an immediate impact on an economy? Do you think that there are unintended consequences of legislation? Can you explain macro economic forces in play with an intrusive piece of legislation like the Community Reinvestment Act?

Yes... in fact it was clinton's fault... along with a slew of others that let it progress.

Just because you didnt enact something, doesnt mean you cant repeal it.

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10-10-2012 01:00 AM  6 years agoPost 52
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what about SOX
That was signed into law by George W Bush.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbanes%E2%80%93Oxley_Act

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10-10-2012 01:11 AM  6 years agoPost 53
rander1

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That was signed into law by George W Bush.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbanes%E2%80%93Oxley_Act
Yup, like I said, Bush continued the previous policies (Even down to the decoupling of the Dollar vs. Gold standard in the 70's). Makes you wonder if they were well intentioned or a part of a plan to collapse the economy...

We are in decades full of bad legislation, and are feeling the pain of all it.

Its about time we started removing stuff instead of piling on more.

Look at the deregulation of ASEAN nation airways from public to private, caused an economic boom like no other in the Malaysian vicinity.

Bush, clinton, obama, romney... they are all the same, they want big government.

I know Romney says return stuff to states, but his voting record demonstrates a different mantra.

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10-10-2012 01:30 AM  6 years agoPost 54
spaceman spiff

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What about clintons presidency, specifically, did he do well?
For one he is not Obama.

Second he was not a devisive class baiting turd, certainly not like Obama.

Third he had some respect for ballanced budget. Remember those? Messy of course, but the govt sat down and actually attempted, and suceeded in balancing the budget.

Fourth, he signed off on the biggest welfare reform that ever occured on our lifetime.

Five, he was a tremendous source of drama and comedy. no need for soap operas and reality shows...

Seriously, he did some things right.

The only thing Obama did right was let our boys finish the job in Iraq. Hildabeast would have pulled the plug too early, and risk letting it become huge chaos, and all for naught. everyhting else is a train wreck, that just wont stop.

I don't value what they say anymore. Not in the least. show me what they do.

Romney a business man after a fasion, and Obama is a fool with our money. I will definitely take Romney, but seriously if the choice were Clinton VS Obama Or maybe even Clinton VS Romney i might take Clinton in both cases right now.

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10-10-2012 01:39 AM  6 years agoPost 55
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Romney a business man after a fasion, and Obama is a fool with our money. I will definaitely take Romney, but seriously if the choilce were Clinton VS Obama Or maybe even Clinton VS Romney i might take Clinton in both cases right now.
Not sure if you read my entire post, I couldnt nail the tone down from your comments. But... you would re-elect the man who signed the legislation that caused our financial collapse, because he believed that everyone deserved something and it was the American dream?

Obama has done that with health care...

They seem the same to me.

Balanced budget is fine, but Clinton wasnt fighting a war and we were in a major paradigm change with the information age. This yielded lots of growth which expanded the tax base.
As for the welfare reform, he didnt willing sign it..
President Clinton found the legislation more conservative than he would have preferred; however, having vetoed two earlier welfare proposals from the Republican-majority Congress, it was considered a political risk to veto a third bill during a campaign season with welfare reform as a central theme.
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Im an RP guy and will be writing his name in on the ballot.

Repubs and Dems are equally corrupt, I wont be voting for either.

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10-10-2012 01:55 AM  6 years agoPost 56
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Not sure if you read my entire post, I couldnt nail the tone down from your comments. But... you would re-elect the man who signed the legislation that caused our financial collapse, because he believed that everyone deserved something and it was the American dream?
Unintended consequenses my friend. Most of the things that govt does because it sounds good have unintended consequences. Bush's expansion of Medicare for example... his failure to reign in Fanny and Freddy...
Its about time we started removing stuff instead of piling on more.
Wiser words i have not heard in quite a while.
President Clinton found the legislation more conservative than he would have preferred; however, having vetoed two earlier welfare proposals from the Republican-majority Congress, it was considered a political risk to veto a third bill during a campaign season with welfare reform as a central theme.
Yup, messy, but it needed to be done and the cats and dogs did it.

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10-10-2012 02:16 AM  6 years agoPost 57
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We never finished anything especially Iraq: Place is wide open - we only introduced the western world. Those that were 9 or 10 at 911 now want it and they are in their 20's and Hate US. Iran has the run of place. It's just a bit less tribal.

Should of got in fixed it- then got out . WWII was just a tad over 4 year's long. To compassionate -too selective - to political correct.

We are WAR weary from being ground down. Even with the low causality count it's exhausted the country - THEY KNOW IT tOO !

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