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08-11-2012 11:48 PM  6 years agoPost 81
Solmanbandit

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Well living out in the country is obviously a different situation. At least that is what common sense would state. I would tend to believe that the majority of the people here do not share your country living and vast land for rc flying. BTW, you didn't answer my question about Jason.

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08-12-2012 12:13 AM  6 years agoPost 82
McKrackin

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BTW, you didn't answer my question about Jason.
Because I have no idea what you're talking about and Jason is none of my business anyway.

I didn't ask where anyone flies and didn't ask for any tattle tales.
I don't care.

If someone popular does it,it must be ok...Right?

All this is is my opinion on flying in public parks.
No debate...I won't change my mind...You won't change yours....Nowhere to go from there.

You would be welcome to fly here if you asked first but I would call the police if you were flying in one of our parks....Motorized models of all types are illegal here.

People in the city shouldn't be able to do anything we do here in the country...Dirt bikes,ATVs,guns and RC aircraft.
You should have to have a private,safe place to do any of this.

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08-12-2012 12:25 AM  6 years agoPost 83
Solmanbandit

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People in the city shouldn't be able to do anything we do here in the country...Dirt bikes,ATVs,guns and RC aircraft.
You should have to have a private,safe place to do any of this.
That is an easy comment to say when you live in the country. Areas such as Southern California can be very difficult to find a place to fly. My comment about Jason wasn't to tattle. My point is that a large portion of the people live in the city. You condemn people about flying in a park, then would you condemn what he does in the video? All the same elements can happen in the video, so it is a good comparison. Also quoting your comment about rc aircraft, that is a pretty broad term considering the range of sizes and types of rc aircraft. BTW, thanks for the offer, but I don't think I will find myself in your part of the country anytime soon.

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08-12-2012 12:29 AM  6 years agoPost 84
co_rotorhead

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I AM FOR banning ALL motorized models at ALL public parks.
It's not a right....
He didn't need to. The discussion thus far has made no mention of small, lightweight machines which may be deemed safe to operate amongst the general public.
I'm going to assume that when he said ALL motorized models that he was including the small, lightweight machines which may be blah blah blah.

Context indeed...

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08-12-2012 12:46 AM  6 years agoPost 85
westwindpilot

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This is interesting watching you two go at it. But my opinion about park flying is that if I go to a park and there is absolutely no one there, and I mean no one. I will fly electric only.

I used to fly at an AMA designated field that basically was helicopter only. Solman, you will know where it is. 77th ave and mtn view rd. From where we were flying on one side (south side) we had rail road tracks and on the opposite side (north side) we had an elementary school, and to the east was industrial buildings. The AMA was perfectly ok with us being there. Even during school hours. We even had a few helicopters go down in the school yard. Again, the AMA was ok with this. Eventually the club stopped opperating because the owner sold part of the land and fenced it off.

So, when I go to a park that does not have any rules about rc models and there is no one there I fly. Technically the park we fly at now is farther from any building, house, or school than the designated AMA field. What is safer? Well, you be the judge.

Just a few weeks ago a few of us heli guys went out to fly and so did about a dozen glider guys. The glider guys were having a club competition and we talked to them about where we would fly and where they were going to fly. Everything was fine and dandy. Then one of our fellow heli guys brought out his trex 700n and flew it. The glider guys went ape shi*. They said OMG, you guys are going to get us kicked out and kept bitc*in about it. Not even 15 min later one of there $4000 gliders was circling over some houses and lost battery power. It hit a house.

This stuff can happen anywhere, a house, a park, a designated field.

And to the Jason Krause comment. As soon as you leave your driveway its not your property. I have talked to Jason personally about this and his neighbors are fine with what he does.

Just my opinion of course. McKrackin has his opinion, so does Solman, so do I.

Steve

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08-12-2012 12:49 AM  6 years agoPost 86
Solmanbandit

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(posted before I saw Westwind post)
Either way, my point is that not everyone has the luxury having the perfect place to fly. Even in some of the places here that are deemed safe and are AMA fields still have dangers. One of which is located near a freeway, which is right behind them. Another has a water park in front of them that is well within range of an out of control airplane. In Southern California, particularly LA County and Orange County, How many of their fields not much better than a park? As I have also said, I am sure that I a good majority of us live in the city and have flown at home. You can also not compare your living in the country to someone who lives in highly populated areas such as Southern California.

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08-12-2012 12:51 AM  6 years agoPost 87
McKrackin

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The AMA was perfectly ok with us being there. Even during school hours. We even had a few helicopters go down in the school yard. Again, the AMA was ok with this.
There is NO such thing as an AMA sanctioned field.
They don't know where you fly and there is NO list of flying fields.

They sanction clubs. They depend on the club to pick a safe site in accordance with their guidelines.

To say they're ok with you flying somewhere is false...They don't know and have nothing to do with it.

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08-12-2012 12:55 AM  6 years agoPost 88
Solmanbandit

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With the burgeoning interest in small park flyer aircraft which are often flown outside of regular club fields, the AMA now provides low-cost membership and coverage for park flyer enthusiasts.
They know enough to know that people fly at parks.
They don't know where you fly and there is NO list of flying fields.
That is so false. Click on the link and tell me that your statement has truth.

http://www.modelaircraft.org/clubsearch.aspx/

From the AMA site.

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08-12-2012 12:57 AM  6 years agoPost 89
McKrackin

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They know enough to know that people fly at parks.
There is a weight and speed limitation to park flyers in the AMA rules.

Look it up.

A 450 is not a park flyer.

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08-12-2012 01:00 AM  6 years agoPost 90
Solmanbandit

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From the AMA site:
State and National Parks
Park Rangers are eager to find new ways to bring exposure to our great parks. Be prepared to address EPA and environmental concerns. Again a proven track record coupled with testimonials and club success stories should help your case.
Local Parks
Contact your city Parks and Recreation Department to propose dedicating space for model aviation. Demonstrate your clubs' community value and service as well as the ability to promote and drive traffic to your city's parks. Utilize this sites' testimonials and club success stories to address many concerns.

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08-12-2012 01:06 AM  6 years agoPost 91
Solmanbandit

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What is a park flyer model?

The AMA currently defines a park flyer as a model weighing less than 2 pounds that is incapable of reaching speeds of faster than 60 mph. It must use electric power for propulsion, be remotely controlled or flown with a control line, and remain within the pilot’s line of sight at all times.
A 450 is not a park flyer.
Wrong again, a 450 weighs less than 2 lbs. You may want to investigate it before you make a statement.

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08-12-2012 01:06 AM  6 years agoPost 92
westwindpilot

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There is NO such thing as an AMA sanctioned field.
They don't know where you fly and there is NO list of flying fields.
We sent very detailed pics to them of our surroundings and a google earth image. So dont tell me they didnt know where we were at.

http://www.modelaircraft.org/clubdetails.aspx?club=1546

That link goes to the closest AMA sanctioned field to my house. The houses are closer to the field than the houses to our park.

Directly from the AMA rule book..
B. RADIO CONTROL (RC)
1. All pilots shall avoid flying directly over unprotected people, vessels, vehicles or structures and shall avoid endangerment of life and property of others.
If there is ABSOLUTELY NO ONE at a park I WILL FLY.

That rule covers my butt. As soon as someone drives up or walks up I land immediatly.

Steve

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08-12-2012 01:07 AM  6 years agoPost 93
McKrackin

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State and National Parks
Park Rangers are eager to find new ways to bring exposure to our great parks. Be prepared to address EPA and environmental concerns. Again a proven track record coupled with testimonials and club success stories should help your case.
Local Parks
Contact your city Parks and Recreation Department to propose dedicating space for model aviation. Demonstrate your clubs' community value and service as well as the ability to promote and drive traffic to your city's parks. Utilize this sites' testimonials and club success stories to address many concerns
It says call your local park and ask permission to dedicate a specific site to fly.

It doesn't say it's ok.

It says they don't know...ask locally.

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08-12-2012 01:11 AM  6 years agoPost 94
McKrackin

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Wrong again, a 450 weighs less than 2 lbs. You may want to investigate it before you make a statement.
Not all of them.

1.6 pounds is average and then comes the batteries.
The all up weight will vary.

If it's that close,why push it?

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08-12-2012 01:12 AM  6 years agoPost 95
westwindpilot

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It says they don't know...ask locally.
We did.

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08-12-2012 01:12 AM  6 years agoPost 96
Solmanbandit

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There are city parks here that do allow it. To condemn someone because they fly at a park is unreasonable. You cannot say for sure that their situation is safe or legal unless you can tell for sure. People often assume too much without having all the information. BTW, feel free to comment on my last post about the park flyer.

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08-12-2012 01:13 AM  6 years agoPost 97
McKrackin

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That link takes you to the location of the nearest club...The field is NOT sanctioned...The club is.

If they were to move,the link would take you there instead.

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08-12-2012 01:15 AM  6 years agoPost 98
McKrackin

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BTW, feel free to comment on my last post about the park flyer
I already did.

You'd have to weigh the individual helis because they're close.

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08-12-2012 01:17 AM  6 years agoPost 99
McKrackin

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Let's be reasonable and take things in context.

You know what I'm talking about.

If a heli can seriously injure someone...keep it out of the park.

I'm talking about populated parks and not desolate isolated areas publicly owned.

You guys know that but just want me to be wrong so you lump everything in.

I'm still for banning ALL motorized models because some idiot will ALWAYS push the limits of weight and speed....Like a 450...technically allowed but still very dangerous.

Not all parks allow it and most probably don't.

The park in Tampa DID NOT and those AMA MEMBERS flew there anyway.
Make it a crime for idiots like that.

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08-12-2012 01:18 AM  6 years agoPost 100
Solmanbandit

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If they were to move,the link would take you there instead.
Who's to say that any of them have moved? All of our local fields/clubs are on the map and and in the correct location. Show me one field that is not where it is not suppose to be. BTW, do you have any idea of what it takes to move a flying field?

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