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08-10-2012 06:47 PM  6 years ago
Buzzin Brian

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I was never trained how to drive a car, and judging by what I see when I drive very few people were, and for sure there might be laws broken, doesn't stop the traffic accidents from happening does it. Meaning regulations do not solve everything. Try being less up tight, life is better that way.

P.S. I think you chose the wrong hobby..... Just saying.
Build it, fly it, crash it. Repeat as often as needed.
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08-10-2012 06:59 PM  6 years ago
RCHSF

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Poor Helicopter. Did'nt have a chance. Look out nut at the helm.
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08-10-2012 07:01 PM  6 years ago
Ejeremy

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That video looked like me flying my friends 450 for the first time. Crashing is part of the game!

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08-10-2012 07:09 PM  6 years ago
McKrackin

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P.S. I think you chose the wrong hobby..... Just saying.
How so?
I enjoy it and do it safely.

I think the park flyers are the ones with the wrong hobby.

I'm not uptight at all...The risks are real...I just put a voice to it.

The problem is the guys being so defensive...Guilt?
If you truly think you're doing nothing wrong,why mention it?
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08-10-2012 07:14 PM  6 years ago
Buzzin Brian

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I think its a matter of most people not wanting to be told how we should live by other people. Life is hard enough as it is without that. That's what marriage is for.

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08-10-2012 07:24 PM  6 years ago
icanfly

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Take a lesson: the first guy got blown back by a little wind, he landed upright and intact, no harm no foul, teachers fault. The second fellow didn't piro out of harms way with the gazebo wall, beginners/teachers mistake flying too close to objects. lesson? teach flying to newbees on calm days in open fields without obstructions of any kind. Only the operators were within a hundred feet of said dangerous object, keep it that way.

Lets be reasonable, "how someone gets killed" attracts a lot of attention as a topic header but one must keep the lid closed on this implication. You want reason or hysteria? Helis have proven to be injurious to humans as this vid will attest;

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blowing things out of proportion yelling and hollering "BAN THEM" from where-ever is unrealistic. People know guys have got to have "toys" or they will resort to other forms of life entertainment, guns being a very prevalent one in the usa. say WHAT?

If newbs have not learned to not use a heli as a vehicle of public harassment then their toys must certainly be confiscated. Helis can do wonderful things for those who respect the dangers of high velocity sharp objects, rotor tips, but they quickly turn into a whirling dervish of massive destruction to anyone within harms way.

Instructors must remind a newb that the heli should be no closer than 50 feet from them at first, on the ground or in the air, period. try this doods method of learning or is that "boob's" lesson of getting in harms way of your new toy heli?

for all the good this guys has to teach he makes one serious mistake, skip to 2:56 to 3:02 to hear it.

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RC HELI blades have a nub of LED in them to assist in balance, do they not? And at what velocity do they travel where they are located on a blade rotating at 1800 rpm on average. That would be 30 rotations per second am I correct.

Now measure the circumference of mid blade in feet, multiply it 30 times and you will get the foot per second. Then get a chart describing the velocity of a 22 caliber bullet, or similar weighted object to a heli blade weight, and divide it by the heli blade weight fps speed. You should get a more graphic idea of the forces involved in an RC HELICOPTER blade at full throttle. BEWARE!!!!!!

Had to get that out of my system. Fare well mi amigos, always a pleasure. Correct me where I err, and I won't seem a fool.
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08-11-2012 01:20 AM  6 years ago
ShuRugal

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Change the context?
precisely.
con·text/ˈkäntekst/
Noun:

1 The circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.
2 The parts of something written or spoken that immediately precede and follow a word or passage and clarify its meaning.
For this discussion, the definition indicated by the bold text is relevant.
The statements I quoted were complete.
Yes, they were. That's not what context means.
He didn't qualify either statement by saying SOME park flyers are selfish and irresponsible, nor did he say that SOME park flying was reckless.
He didn't need to. The discussion thus far has made no mention of small, lightweight machines which may be deemed safe to operate amongst the general public. The discussion kicked off with a video showing two flight attempts on a 550 size helicopter.

This opening topic provides the setting for the discussion, and thus the context. You were the first person to raise the subject of small machines designed with park-flying in mind, where the subject had previously been centered around the operation of larger machines. By introducing the smaller size class and basing your arguments upon them, you introduced a new context.

When you quoted statements made prior to your introduction of this new context and compared them against your new context, you attempted to change the context in which those statements were originally made.

So, yes, you changed the context.
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08-11-2012 01:47 AM  6 years ago
TheRickster

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And you can also buy 1000's of different military grade assault rifles.
Most people who buy them are reckless and irresponsible.

Just because it's made and sold legally doesn't mean anyone using it is in the right.
This thread could really have gone without this analogy. One because of the tensions being so high concerning them and two stating that most who own them are reckless is simply not true...

Rick
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08-11-2012 01:55 AM  6 years ago
McKrackin

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.... and two stating that most who own them are reckless is simply not true...
I actually agree with you but I was throwing ridiculousness on top of ridiculousness.
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08-11-2012 06:42 AM  6 years ago
Noobyflyer

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He tried and he crashed. I've been that guy and it taught me an expensive lesson. Helis are tough to fly and a PIA to rebuild.

But I learned and I don't think I put mine or anyone else's life at risk.

I think this is being blown way out of proportion. Even the best pilots have mechanical malfuntions and the occasional dumb thumbs.

All things considered, I think the hobby has a great track record for safety.
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08-11-2012 04:36 PM  6 years ago
Rockinar

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Nothing worse in this video than all the videos of 3Ders doing funnels 20 feet from their head, spotlight flying, etc. How spotlight flying is even remotely considered safe is beyond me.
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08-11-2012 05:16 PM  6 years ago
BobOD

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I've seen more sport fliers breach the flight line than 3d fliers.

But this is the point people don't seem to get. If a car goes into the stands at a race track, it's an unfortunate accident and we should, of course, learn from it and see if there are practical ways to do it more safely.
If a car goes into a crowd of people because the driver was racing around in public, the driver is a criminal and responsible for the outcome....even if he didn't know there was a crowd of people that just got off the bus.
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08-11-2012 05:23 PM  6 years ago
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If a car goes into the stands at a race track, it's an unfortunate accident and we should, of course, learn from it and see if there are practical ways to do it more safely.
If a car goes into a crowd of people because the driver was racing around in public, the driver is a criminal and responsible for the outcome....even if he didn't know there was a crowd of people that just got off the bus.
I like that analogy.
I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?
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08-11-2012 05:27 PM  6 years ago
McKrackin

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But this is the point people don't seem to get. If a car goes into the stands at a race track, it's an unfortunate accident and we should, of course, learn from it and see if there are practical ways to do it more safely.
If a car goes into a crowd of people because the driver was racing around in public, the driver is a criminal and responsible for the outcome....even if he didn't know there was a crowd of people that just got off the bus.
Exactly!!!!

An accident at a flying field or an event like IRCHA would be terrible but the people are all there to see the helis or the event.

An accident in a public park is a CRIME and an assault because the crowd there have no clue and no warning about the dangers of the helis.
They don't even have an awareness of their existence.

It's not an acceptable risk unless every soul there accepts the risk with full knowledge of what's happening.
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08-11-2012 06:45 PM  6 years ago
icanfly

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everyone, even the man at the controls, took some form of cover from this potentially very harmful toy heli, all 7+ horses worth,

Watch at YouTube

forget the other site intro in the vid, the heli is intense and this is the best of Tim Jones Beast vids.

The difference between a flying field and a public park are some. People go to a public park to get away from home and out of harms way, to play and unwind. They assume a risk when sharing the park with other people. If town council is unaware of the dangers of any and all "toys" used in the park then a steep lawsuit will wake them up in the event of a miss-hap. This includes any and all "toys" what-so-ever.

A park user has a right to play in the park but not to "harass" anyone be-it with any toy they choose to have at the time, that would bean act of hostility and totally un-acceptable. Accidentally peening someone with a croquet mallet, a frizzbee, soccer ball, baseball, golf, hockey stick, skateboard, heli, plane, atv, you name the toy and some bozzo will hit someone with it one day, by accident of course, is acceptable. You assume the risk when entering in to such places of leisure. Stay out of harms way in general.

The best rc toys for public pr are sailboats and subs, slow and predictable.

Some forms of rc toys (nitro because of noise) are banned from local public parks in my area. Kiting is banned because specifically asian 'tards played kite wars and began to litter park trees with kites bearing razor blades on their remaining strings. I sense you imagine the dangers to the public quite easily. Usually something gets banned because of to many accidents or the fans are 'tards who leave too much trash or harass other park patrons, or are rowdy and obnoxious, or drink booze and usually bring unwanted attention to themselves by doing unacceptable things they wouldn't do at home.
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08-11-2012 08:45 PM  6 years ago
Solmanbandit

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I find it funny on how you all talk about dangerous situations. What happens in our hobby is nothing compared to the Isle of Man racing. It is the world's most dangerous race for both the racers and the fans. BTW, there is nothing wrong with flying in a park if nobody is around.
If you want to see what true danger is, watch this video.

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08-11-2012 10:32 PM  6 years ago
McKrackin

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What happens in our hobby is nothing compared to the Isle of Man racing.
That race is advertised for months and the public is made aware of the course also months in advance.
The police force is used to keep people as safe as possible and emergency medical crews are stationed all over.

When you fly in a park,do you put out public service announcements months in advance?
Do you cordon off your flight zone with signage to make people aware of the presence of your helis?
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08-11-2012 11:16 PM  6 years ago
Stephen Born

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When I first started flying years ago, I did not respect the heli. I flew close to me and figured it was a "toy". Then the day came when I lost orientation on my 450, and the heli hit my brass lamp post. The blades put a 2 inch long dent in the fixture.

Big wake-up call for me.
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08-11-2012 11:34 PM  6 years ago
Solmanbandit

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When you fly in a park,do you put out public service announcements months in advance?
Do you cordon off your flight zone with signage to make people aware of the presence of your helis?
The answer is no because if I do so, I only fly if no one is around. BTW, not all areas of the race are cordoned off. Either way, the whole subject about flying in parks has been beaten to death a thousand times. In the video, it didn't show anyone around, so what's the harm? If you fly at your house, do you warn all the neighbors? Is Jason Krause an idiot because he flies in his front yard? Who can truly say that the people here have never test flown their heli at their home? Is this any less dangerous?

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08-11-2012 11:41 PM  6 years ago
McKrackin

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What we do on OUR property is not our neighbors business.
If they are hurt on my property,so be it...Trespassers.

My yard...

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