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08-09-2012 04:48 AM  5 years agoPost 1
CWALDO123

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Bunch of lucky folks!

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08-09-2012 05:28 AM  5 years agoPost 2
dkshema

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Hot day according to the text with the video. Long time to get airborne (no kidding, it looked as if he were going to drive to his destination). No apparent desire to climb to more than 50 - 100 foot altitude, and there appeared to be no great concern on either the part of the pilot OR passenger about the inability to gain altitude. Even as you see the trees approaching at eyeball level, there appeared to be no alarm or panic. He just flew into the trees.

So is it a hot day, with too much weight on-board to climb out? Density altitude bit the pilot in the shorts? Who knows.

Looks like Pilot Error.

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08-09-2012 12:56 PM  5 years agoPost 3
SSN Pru

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Density altitude gets a lot of pilots in trouble, more so if they fly "high-performance" aircraft and think they can perform their way out of anything.

Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!

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08-09-2012 04:23 PM  5 years agoPost 4
xcellgasman101

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Very lucky for all of them to survive!! Does this plane have flaps?? If so, why didn't he lower the flaps?? Pilot error for sure,, XGM/VGM

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08-09-2012 04:23 PM  5 years agoPost 5
Mike545

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how did they all do, are they all ok? Pilot didnt look to good.

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08-09-2012 04:52 PM  5 years agoPost 6
dkshema

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Flaps don't do a whole lot if you're overweight/underpowered and flying in what could be a nasty density altitude condition.

It's still interesting that the pilot continued to attempt to fly the aircraft for several minutes without seeming to be alarmed or concerned.

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08-09-2012 10:02 PM  5 years agoPost 7
xcellgasman101

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Flaps don't do a whole lot if you're overweight/underpowered and flying in what could be a nasty density altitude condition.
Well it sure wouldn't hurt to of tried,, It might have made the differance of flying or crashing,, XGM/VGM

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08-09-2012 10:33 PM  5 years agoPost 8
ticedoff8

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In most Density Altitude related crashes, there is just enough power / lift to get the plane / heli off the ground, but not to climb out of "ground effect" (usually equal to 1 wing or rotor span above the ground).
Once off the ground, the pilot's frame of mind is "Go", no matter how bad it looks. Even if they do recognize the problem soon enough, getting down and stopped before the end of the runway is "problematic" to say the least.

All planes have a "service ceiling".
This looks like a Taylorcraft or a Piper Super Cub. The service ceiling would be around 15,000 feet at gross takeoff weight and standard outside air temperature (OAT) (BTW: 5.5 degrees F is standard OAT at 15,000'.
This "service ceiling" is the altitude that the airplane can maintain level flight.

If the field it at 5000' MSL, and it is hot, then the calculated density altitude might be 10,000' (for example) or more and above standard OAT.
While 10,000+ foot is what the airplane "feels" for power & lift, the higher than standard OAT makes it "feel" even higher.

The the airplane would have a hard time accelerating (high altitude affects engine power and prop efficiency).
Being on dirt / grass adds drag to the wheels and increases normal takeoff distances.
4 people in the plane - probably at gross weight.
Once airborne, and at 10,000 ft density altitude, this plane might have a positive rate of climb of 150 feet per minute - assuming the pilot was perfect.
Put it all together = one moron pilot.

Living in NorCal - we see a lot of density altitude crashes at the South Lake Tahoe airport. Back in the 70's, a Lockheed Electra (4 engine turboprop) operated by PSA crashed there because of "high & hot" conditions.

I flew 4 passenger, single engine, planes in there quite a few times - and even with a turbocharged engine, there were days where we had to wait until the next morning to get out.

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08-09-2012 11:53 PM  5 years agoPost 9
RayJayJohnsonJr

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This looks like a Taylorcraft or a Piper Super Cub.
Don't think so. I'm gonna throw a dart and say Stinson 108.

There, their and they're. It's really that simple.

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08-10-2012 12:03 AM  5 years agoPost 10
#55

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Excellent footage!!!

Nice post ... I'm one of those pilots that likes to read accident reports and watch crash videos.

not that I wish death or pain upon anyone- but to learn from it.

oh.... and Supercubs are tandem seat...this was side by side

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08-10-2012 12:29 AM  5 years agoPost 11
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Definatly like the dash of a Stinson 108 although any i ever seen had the D shaped control column. Glad to see all survived but it was like an accident looking for somewhere to happen.

If it doesnt move and its meant too... use WD 40. If it moves and its not meant too...use duct tape!

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08-10-2012 01:10 AM  5 years agoPost 12
jgunpilot

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Hot day according to the text with the video. Long time to get airborne (no kidding, it looked as if he were going to drive to his destination). No apparent desire to climb to more than 50 - 100 foot altitude, and there appeared to be no great concern on either the part of the pilot OR passenger about the inability to gain altitude. Even as you see the trees approaching at eyeball level, there appeared to be no alarm or panic. He just flew into the trees.
How do you know these things, I couldn't tell them from watching the same video. I'll bet the pilot had plenty of desire to climb more the 5-100 feet. If the aircraft won't climb under full power, should he focus on attaining best angle of climb speed or should he mug for the camera? If you saw no alarm or panic as they approached the trees, perhaps that was because no human was in the frame, just windscreen and trees. If you feel some unconcern from just viewing the video, please son't assume the pilot and passengers were unconcerned abut their safety.

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08-10-2012 01:08 PM  5 years agoPost 13
dkshema

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Text accompanying the video stated it was a hot day.

There was audio, and at least a pilot and one passenger. No one was recorded on audio as really saying anything until just before he flew headlong into the trees.

The takeoff roll was exceptionally long. The runway seemed to go on forever, by the way.

Stuff on the ground was close by at all times.

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08-10-2012 02:19 PM  5 years agoPost 14
NRoof

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I'm behind a firewall and can't see the video (stupid firewall).
based on the description I found this on youtube.
Is this the video.
If so this one has commentary from AVweb

Watch at YouTube

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08-10-2012 05:28 PM  5 years agoPost 15
rcmike

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Yep, that's it. Can't believe he didn't abort the takeoff when he saw how difficult it was to take off. I'm no pilot but to me it seemed obvious it wasn't going to end well.

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08-10-2012 06:59 PM  5 years agoPost 16
dkshema

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Yes, that is the video, the commentary provided pretty much agrees with my earlier guesses. High density altitude, exceptionally long takeoff run, failure to gain appreciable altitude.

Even after the plane bounced after making it airborne, there was still a lot of relatively flat unobstructed land in front where the pilot could have called it a day and aborted.

At least no one got killed.

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08-10-2012 07:24 PM  5 years agoPost 17
jgunpilot

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He made it 1/2 mile further than he did last year, so at least he's improving.

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