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08-06-2012 07:18 PM  6 years agoPost 1
helijohn

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I'm almost too embarrassed to admit that I use ½ stick for hovering. That's the way I learned back in the times of the Ark and while I have been out of it they are all flying electric now with ¾ stick hover.

So I decided to give it a go and I didn't like it. I am not into aerobatics, just thankful I can do a few boring circuits and come home with the bird intact.

To my mind, ¾ stick should be a breeze, with everything just a click further up the collective scale but it ain't. I can't seem to "balance" things especially with -9° to -11°on bottom stick. Why is it so hard?

So should I stick to what I am comfortable with..............or should I continue with the misery of getting used to ¾ hover.

Why simplify when it's simpler to complicate.

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08-06-2012 07:23 PM  6 years agoPost 2
Dr.Ben

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Work your way up it. Center on half stick at 1 or 2 degrees for a while as a transition. You can also reduce the top end and low end pitch for hover to make it less jumpy.

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08-06-2012 07:28 PM  6 years agoPost 3
YSRRider

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3/4 is the norm today when your heli is setup for 3D so there is no pitch change when flipping your idle up switch. I prefer to hover at half stick.

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08-06-2012 07:35 PM  6 years agoPost 4
AirWolfRC

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Well . . . technically there should be some change in stick position going from normal to idle-up. As the head speed increases, the blades need to run at a slightly lower pitch at the higher speed to still produce the same total lift.

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08-06-2012 07:45 PM  6 years agoPost 5
dahld

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With current 3D set-ups (linear collective pitch curves, and the heli hovers either upright or inverted at a stick position of its choosing based on head speed), flight modes and head speed changes are often done "on the fly", and the differences in hovering stick position go unnoticed.

If it's any consolation, I'm and "old schooler" like helijohn that learned to hover @ 1/2 stick back in the day (of course that's mostly all we did, was hover). But like most things, I got used to flying the modern set-ups over time, and now 1/2 stick feels weird.

Whatever works (-:

(-: Dave

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08-06-2012 07:50 PM  6 years agoPost 6
AirWolfRC

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So should I stick to what I am comfortable with..............or should I continue with the misery of getting used to ¾ hover.
no and yes . . . in that order.

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08-06-2012 08:11 PM  6 years agoPost 7
helijohn

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Work your way up it. Center on half stick at 1 or 2 degrees for a while as a transition. You can also reduce the top end and low end pitch for hover to make it less jumpy.
I like this approach, I was thinking of doing something similar when messing the other day but then headspeed gets a bit faster with the stick a half a click further up.

My biggest obstacle was the -x° (something like 10) at the bottom end on a linear pitch line............it felt like I was dumping the bird when I backed off so I did as you've suggested and upped the pitch to about -5°at bottom stick but still found it jumpy.

I still think it should be so easy to go to ¾ and can't understand why is ain't! There have been times when I have set the collective higher to get the lift at the field so it should be natural.

Why simplify when it's simpler to complicate.

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08-06-2012 08:27 PM  6 years agoPost 8
JKos

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What is making you want to change? Why change something that has been successful for you for how long? If your style of flying has no need for linear +/- x° pitch curves, why worry about? You only have resolution to lose and I'm not sure anything to gain.

- John

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08-06-2012 08:39 PM  6 years agoPost 9
TheWoodCrafter

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With hover at 3/4 stick, the resolution is cut way back.
It can be a bear to switch over and get used to less resolution.

Hovering (about 3-4 degrees)at 1/2 stick, you have half the stick movement to add in 5-6 degrees more collective.
Hovering at 3/4 stick you end up with only 1/4 stick movement to add in 5-6 degrees.
Much harder to find the perfect stick position with only half the space to do it in.

That is why I always tell beginners to set up hover at 3/4 stick now so they don't have to relearn it from 1/2 stick later.

Thanks, TheWoodCrafter

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08-06-2012 08:40 PM  6 years agoPost 10
MattJen

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i must admit 3/4 stick feels weird, especially on a 5 point curve,
you are shoving all the top end of the pitch in the last two point of the curve on old radios.

I can understand if you are stick bashing and going to extremes, but for F3C and scale it isn't ideal as you run different headspeeds forthe hover and idle up where you perform the aeros.
On scale I run -2 +5 +8 across 7 points on my 10C. for the F3C hovering schedule i run -4 +5 +8 +10, then in idle up 1 and 2,
12 0 12 which is great.

Each to their own, there is alot of debate, as there always is,
i personally think when learning a 12 0 12 is not ideal as the smallest stick movements make the heli shoot up and down quickly.

So i tend to smooth it out to a -3 +5 +8 +12.
but thats my way of flying and is just one of many ways you can these days with sophisticated radios.

all the best

Matt

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08-06-2012 09:59 PM  6 years agoPost 11
unclejane

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Don't see why you should change it if you don't want to.

I also learned to fly back in the Stone Age, when we setup our machines for a few degs positive pitch at mid-stick. We didn't plan to do much flying upside down and, with the old-school flybar heads, you wanted as much positive as you could get for autos, without binding as you approached full collective.

So we 90'ed everything out with 2-3degs. positive collective and got used to hover occuring at half stick.

Until Curtis Y. started showing up at our field with all those dremeled cutouts on his Vigor heads to reduce binding and, well, the rest is all history after that.

I still sometimes want to lift off at half stick...

Though you should see where my Whippy hovers on 6S....

LS

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08-06-2012 11:02 PM  6 years agoPost 12
Rafael23cc

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helijohn
....That's the way I learned back in the times of the Ark .....
....I am not into aerobatics.....
Are you or are you not working up to aerobatics? Before you listen to anybody else, you need to be honest with yourself with this question. No need for 3/4 hover if you never intend to work up to aerobatics and 3D.

And there is no need to be embarrassed, only the young kids that listened to the rest of us actually started at 3/4 hover. Most of us had to toughen up and learn again to fly.

Rafael

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08-06-2012 11:24 PM  6 years agoPost 13
payne1967

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i use 1/2 and 3/4 stick
depending on what machine and what flight mode
i set idle up 3 first on all my models (there are a couple that are not set this way)
+/-10 0 at centre and then use the pitch curves to adjust the pitch range in normal/idle 1&2 to suit the model

it has been known for me to set a scale model up +/-10 with avery odd throttle curve to load the motor up to give a more scale effect to the flight for a comp

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08-07-2012 02:07 PM  6 years agoPost 14
Four Stroker

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To hell with peer group pressure. It's your hobby. Do whatever you want. I hover at 1/2 stick AND I fly with ancient semi blades - which I had to import from Japan.

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08-07-2012 07:06 PM  6 years agoPost 15
Girard Ibanez

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Do you use a simulator? If yes, then the sim is set for 3/4 stick @ hover. If your simlator can interface with your real heli radio it could make the transistion easier as your muscle memory adapts and you still have the comfort feel of your radio.

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08-08-2012 02:06 AM  6 years agoPost 16
GetToDaChopper

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when i first started flying i used 1/2 stick hover because 3/4 stick was so jumpy and i wanted a more realistic heli control feel, but latter i wanted to fly upside down so i had to change to 3/4 stick, if it wasn't for wanting to fly upside down i prob would have never switched from 1/2 stick because at the time i didnt need to and i NEVER care about what anybody else thinks about how, when or where i fly........

always do what makes you happy !
To hell with peer group pressure. It's your hobby. Do whatever you want. I hover at 1/2 stick AND I fly with ancient semi blades - which I had to import from Japan.
Right on, tell it like it is and be proud !!!

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08-08-2012 02:23 AM  6 years agoPost 17
heli-cuzz

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Yeah peer pressure :)
Set it up as a linear curve and pay no attention where the stick is and just fly, hover, or whatever comes to mind.
Kick the old school 1/2 collective stick hover to the curb.
Try lowering the gimbals to the lowest point, if you have tall gimbals, it may make it feel a little odd hovering at 3/4 collective.

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08-08-2012 05:24 AM  6 years agoPost 18
KC

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Learned most of the basics on half stick curves back when it was the way.

Loops, rolls, stall turns, autos.....all 1/2 stick curve moves...everything tried up to about 1994 was non-linear...the flat curve came around to make the helis of the day do what we are doing now, which is now being done with half as much pitch and twice as much headspeed.

in other words a modern heli with +10/-6 can do all sorts of things in practiced hands...but with +/-10 it can do more.

You'll know when you want to go to flat curves. Meanwhile if you're not into inverted yet, take the 1/2 stick up high enough to find out what you think of inverted

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