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08-04-2012 01:36 PM  9 years ago
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Adhesive to bond wood to carbon, needs to take lots of heat
Hey I want to bond a carbon rod to a wood handle and it has to be able to take heat. Drill wood handle and insert 1/4 inch rod centered.

I blow glass and can not spend 30$ on a 3$ tool I can make myself.

Question is, what glue will take heat over and over, since the carbon rod will soak up the heat.

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Jeff
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08-04-2012 02:53 PM  9 years ago
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Why not a press fit?
If you under size the hole say .010 then you would have a tight press fit with no glue required. If the hole is already pre drilled, notch the inserted part of the rod like the back end of any arrow and use a bulky(thick) piece of string or yarn, place it in the notch with an over hanging length on side, and press it in. If really you want to glue it JB weld stands up to more heat than most. I would think that the CF rod should be a good enough non conduter that heat wouldn't be an issue.

My 2 cents.

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08-04-2012 04:12 PM  9 years ago
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I would think any good quality slow set epoxy would be find. I used NHP slow set epoxy to secure a muffler once, and had a heck of a time getting the nuts off. If you do a google search for high temp adhesive, there are many out there, the first ones I found seemed to be industrial and possibly not easily obtainable. I would experiment with epoxy first as I don't think the carbon will transmit that much heat
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08-04-2012 05:47 PM  9 years ago
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What kind of heat how much and for how long? If it is more than say 400-500F no glue will work even the resin used to form the CF rod will failALeeS
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08-04-2012 07:52 PM  9 years ago
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Drill your handle just a touch undersized, press in your carbon tube, then drill a hole through the handle and tube and pin it.
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08-04-2012 08:39 PM  9 years ago
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Hysol 9462 epoxyHighly Medicated for your protection......
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08-04-2012 09:25 PM  9 years ago
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JB-weld

get it at any hardware store

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08-04-2012 09:41 PM  9 years ago
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I think Charley is right. Blowing glass has to be alot more than 4-500 degrees. I would press fit it like the others said.
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08-04-2012 10:29 PM  9 years ago
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I don't know how big the carbon rod is you are using, but why not just drill a small hole through the handle / carbon / handle and put a stiff piece of wire through it?

Bob

Edit: You should easily be able to do this in a 1/4" rod. Even if it was offset and just catch the edge of the rod, you can lock it in using the same technique.
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08-04-2012 11:15 PM  9 years ago
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JB Weld should do fine. drill a 5/16 hole about 1" deep in the wood handle, put some JB on the rod and in the hole and push in the rod, let set.
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08-05-2012 11:57 AM  9 years ago
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Guys I blow glass with a super insane torch on steroids.

http://www.glasstorchtech.com/deltaelite.html I have a Delta Elite

I say it gets about 5000+ degrees, glass is 1100 out of my kiln. Takes 1300 for it to start to move, about 2100-2500 is liquid.

So the rod will get hot, this is just a carbon rod Not carbon fiber. The rod will hold heat as I am using it for a reamer and will get hit by the flame too.

Thought about the press fit and going to try that first. The tool I normally buy is shaved out of larger stock and has a threaded rod holding it to the wood. But cost 33$!!! The rod I want to use cost me 1$!!!!! And I have broken that 33$ tool the first day a couple times now over 20 years, talk about being mad!!

Love to have some nice machined handles...anyone? Then I could replace the rod in seconds. My community is small, but fun.

400-500? hahahahahaa that is food cooking temps!!!! Think about it!!! Your Pyrex glass pan is the same glass I use. So bake some chicken at 400 and see if you pan melts!!! ahahahahahaaaaa

Jeff
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08-06-2012 12:04 AM  9 years ago
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If the handle end gets as hot as you think, then you'll just burn the wood.

Why don't you try the JB and see ?
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08-06-2012 01:32 AM  9 years ago
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I got em done today, press fit and all. Pretty happy with results, made 5 tools, saved 150$$!! Tapped them in with a wooden hammer and they aint coming out
Jeff
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08-06-2012 12:45 PM  9 years ago
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got any pictures? And links to the tools you usually buy? I'm curious.Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!
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08-15-2012 01:14 PM  9 years ago
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http://www.mountainglass.com/Produc...GRAPHITE-TOOLS/

some basic tools I use, mostly all carbon. My table has some plates, 12x12x1 is my marver plate. Torch has a 3x3 L marver on top. Believe it or not I dont need many tools for what I do. Tweezers, couple reamers, couple pushes, rod cutter, tungston pick, blow hose, gloves, kiln to anneal pieces. Premade colour rods and clear I buy too.

I made some carbon reamers saved me a few bucks. Work just like the ones I would have bought but I made them!! 25$ each on average

I have some ideas for custom tools.\ also have an idea for a fishing tool too. My glass(borosylicate, Pyrex is a name brand like Ford) has only been around artisticly for 20-25 years, been there since the beginning!! Boy has it gotton so much better.

http://www.glasstorchtech.com/deltaelite.html my BADASS torch. It is so hot I need to wear a Nomax jacket and face shield sometimes. Runs on Liquid Oxygen(lasts a lot longer for me, I can kill a green T tank in two hours) and Liquid Propane. HOT HOT HOT!!!

In the process of setting up another shop too. I will take pictures and share the progress. Should be a sweet shop.

Jeff
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08-15-2012 01:23 PM  9 years ago
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I'd really like to see pictures. I watched an artist in Hawaii blow some glass once and I was netranced. It was awesome!Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!
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08-15-2012 01:44 PM  9 years ago
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I get mezmorized sometimes when making stuff!! Something magical happens while doing glass, sucks you right in.

Pictures soon, most of the stuff I make is not suitable for this site. as soon as we are up and going again, I will share. Been doing it since 1996 so I have some skills.

Jeff
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08-17-2012 01:50 PM  9 years ago
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you just came up with a nice little side business. Obviously some nice headroom for profit there....
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