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07-30-2012 04:12 PM  9 years ago
ticedoff8

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McKrackin:
The magazine is pretty good.
But, beyond what you already know about, there is no additional benefits.

Having said that, I've been a member for about 25 years.

I am also a member of AOPA (Aircraft Owners & Pilots Association) for 32 years.

As a member to both for close to 30 years I think they represent most of my "rights" to the people that have the power to take them away.

This is going to get worse for us - airspace & frequencies are becoming more "valuable" to corporations - and they have lobbying power beyond what you and I have - AMA / AOPA helps keep the playing field a little closer to level.
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07-30-2012 04:36 PM  9 years ago
Tag1260

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I may be mis-reading what your saying there McKrackin but while I agree with you on FPV being an "evil"(for lack of a better word) that is going to cause problems, it appears your missing that they aren't separating them from AUVs and line of sight flying objects. Plus while they are trying to regulate UAVs in general, they aren't separating "hobby" from "commercial" applications. According to the bill signed by congress, we would be "safe" if we fly under AMA membership and their safety guidelines. Without it, you would be flying under FAA rulings. HOWEVER, it does appear that the FAA is looking as if that bill doesn't exist and without AMA fighting for us, we wouldn't stand a snowballs chance at all.
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07-30-2012 04:46 PM  9 years ago
JKos

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I have never, ever understood why someone would not be an AMA member. There are zero negatives and AMA is continuously working in your/our best interest! And, you never know when the insurance may, unfortunately, become useful.

So, could someone enlighten me on any reasonable reasons not to join?

Thank you,
John
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07-30-2012 05:14 PM  9 years ago
ChuckCLJ

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+1 on Jkos
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07-30-2012 05:21 PM  9 years ago
Mike Fortin

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Perks:

Being able to fly RC models when and where you see fit.

Downside of AMA:

None.

Not sure why you wouldn't want to join and help support their mission to preserve our right to fly our toys.

Joining the AMA at least shows that someone has a sense of responsibility when flying their models and knows that the AMA is there to help.

Be it with the FAA or local, county or state agencies to help secure and keep local flying sites.

If $58 bucks is an issue, then again I recommend RC sailboats.
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07-30-2012 05:27 PM  9 years ago
McKrackin

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For someone like me who has always flown on my own private property and covered by my own home owners insurance...The AMA membership is just throwing money to the wind.

The privilege to fly at a club or IRCHA is the only real benefit for me as I doubt very seriously the government will be sending agents to seize my toy helis any time soon.
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07-30-2012 05:31 PM  9 years ago
JKos

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> The AMA membership is just throwing money to the wind.

Really? Are you in Washington DC fighting for our rights to fly our beloved RC models and our use of the frequency spectrum for those purposes?

- John
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07-30-2012 05:34 PM  9 years ago
McKrackin

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Are you in Washington DC fighting for our rights to fly our beloved RC models
Really? It's a right?

It's a privilege.One that many abuse.
Not everything the government says is wrong about it.
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07-30-2012 05:36 PM  9 years ago
McKrackin

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There are plenty of club members to fund the AMA.

We have posted their salaries before and they are pretty good.

We,on our private property do not need to fund your clubs fight for its "rights".
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07-30-2012 05:37 PM  9 years ago
dkshema

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Unfortunately, our Government at this point doesn't see your helis as "toys". They see them as a threat to the National Air Space (NAS), and when the President is in town, a threat to National Security. Note that we hobbyists are currently included in Notices to Airmen (NOTAMS) that prohibit flying of radio controlled model aircraft of ANY type within a fairly large radius of where the President will be. Those NOTAMS also include control line flying. As a hobbyist flying RC stuff, all of a sudden you are subject to notices issued by the FAA. Imagine that. The AMA is working to reduce those restrictions, as well.

No, the Government may not plan soon to come take your "toys", but should you find yourself squarely in their sight, you will have a serious legal problem to wrangle with. The Government has DEEP pockets, and relishes the idea of making examples of people who don't "behave".

As long as you continue to think of what you're doing is playing with toys, you delude yourself. You may also want to check with your Homeowner's insurance agent and see if you would really be covered under your policy should you injure or kill someone, or cause property damage while operating your "toy". You may be surprised at the answer you get. Insurers are pretty weird sometimes when it comes to what they will and won't cover.

People who think they are immune to what's going on in the world around them are the ones who cry the loudest when reality arrives at their door.
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07-30-2012 05:44 PM  9 years ago
McKrackin

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People who think they are immune to what's going on in the world around them are the ones who cry the loudest when reality arrives at their door.
I think you're bundling me in that category and I don't fit.lol...

I AGREE that some modellers are pushing the limits of National Security and public safety and if we lose the privilege to fly our toys,it is those modellers you have to blame and not the government.

Don't blame a private land owner playing on his private property for not shelling out money to the AMA.

Blame the idiot with the FPV rig over an air base or densely populated city.
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07-30-2012 06:08 PM  9 years ago
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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I am proud to support the AMA. When I was a kid, I viewed the AMA as a hassle. A fee I had to pay to fly at competitions. But now that I am an adult and understand how government and lobbying works, I appreciate the AMA for what it is.

The AMA is not some entity out there. It is us. We are the AMA. Each and every one of us who flies.
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07-30-2012 06:08 PM  9 years ago
JKos

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Don't blame a private land owner playing on his private property for not shelling out money to the AMA.
Just to be clear, do I think you should be required to have AMA to fly on your own property? Heck no. That's totally your choice as it should be and should forever remain.
Blame the idiot with the FPV rig over an air base or densely populated city.
Absolutely agree.

I still haven't heard/read a good reason not to join, though.

- John
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07-30-2012 06:13 PM  9 years ago
McKrackin

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I still haven't heard/read a good reason not to join, though.
Me either.
There's no reason NOT to join.

I was just saying there's never been a real reason TO join for me.
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07-30-2012 06:19 PM  9 years ago
BarracudaHockey

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If $58 bucks is an issue, then again I recommend RC sailboats.
Have you priced those damn things? They may not crash as spectacularly as our stuff but they dont cost any less.

Couple of hundred bucks for hand made sails, sheesh.
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07-30-2012 06:19 PM  9 years ago
bjacks

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McKrackin I think your missing the point, if they have it there way you will not be able to fly on your own land without rules, I don't think any of us on this site flys over city's or towns, I might be wrong but I have a hard time seeing pass 500 foot, I'm old.(65) I'm not saying anything against you flying on your own land but sometimes it's nice to go out and fly with other people and If it's at a AMA field, guess what they require AMA and if you think that our goverment doing a good job and they care about a bunch of people flying models, I'll get off my soap box now. Bobby
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07-30-2012 06:23 PM  9 years ago
Tag1260

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People who feel they don't need the AMA are the same people who will not comply with the laws that are set forth against us anyways. They will gladly reap the benefits of those who are willing to put their own money up for the fight but are not willing to contribute towards it.

It's kinda like the folks who bitch about Obama or Reagan or whoever but don't bother to vote in the election.

In order for us to have a strong voice, we need a membership number that is meaningful. If you see a kid flying something at the local park, get him signed up. It's free but these kids have no way of knowing about it without our input.

Sorry if I hit any nerves but right now we are in a MAJOR fight to keep the hobby we all love. Any time someone asks "WHAT WILL THE AMA DO FOR ME?" they are either uneducated about the AMA or, if they are educated about the AMA, they are too self centered to care about the hobby as a whole.

DO you think the manufacturers will continue to make products that they can't sell if their use is no longer fun because of regulations? Do you think you'll continue to fly at your house when you can no longer find/afford parts for repair?

Plus, do you think if/when they pass the laws they won't apply to you as you fly on private property? I think not.

There is a bigger picture than what absolute benefit can I hold in my hand to the AMA.
Just my $.02 worth.
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07-30-2012 06:28 PM  9 years ago
HeliOCD

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99% useless info
99% useless info and let me dig through and find what I need myself.
Is your shovel broken?
Plus.. Reading is fundamental.
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07-30-2012 06:40 PM  9 years ago
FireNWater

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They will collect your R/C stuff in the same visit they show up to collect your guns . .
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ol-legislation/
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07-30-2012 06:45 PM  9 years ago
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Both the AMA and the NRA are lobbying groups. Both serve to promote the interests of the population which they represent.

Do you have any idea how much more money the NRA has in the bank compared to the AMA? To make a comparison between gun restrictions and RC model restrictions makes no sense.

RC models are like a small gnat compared to the federal government. We could be eliminated at any time. The NRA has the money to file lawsuits and make legislation happen. The AMA is lucky to get a few Congressmen to listen to them because we write them letters on behalf of the AMA.

The AMA needs our support. We are the AMA.
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