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07-25-2012 05:57 PM  8 years ago
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jcwillis3

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Align Starter
I have a new Align Starter purchased in February 2012 from Heliproz. The starter has now failed in the engaged position (always on). Has anyone experienced a similar issue or found a corrective action? I spoke with Assurance and they said warranty is only 90 days and there is no repair for Align equipment. They will sell me a new replacement for $70, but have no technical expertise.

This is my last Align purchase experience of any sort.
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07-25-2012 06:02 PM  8 years ago
bkervaski

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The "jackhammer" ... destroying bearings one start at a time ... don't waste your money replacing it, build a starter with a Torqmaster or a Dynatron and a Sullivan shaft, a little bit more up front but it will last for years and years and years.Team Synergy Factory Specialist / Scorpion / Thunder Power / Byron's Fuels
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07-25-2012 06:16 PM  8 years ago
Mike Fortin

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As Bill said, get a Sullivan Dynatron.Have Rotors, Will Fly!
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07-25-2012 06:23 PM  8 years ago
bart2546

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I had my Align starter for a season or so and I decided to sell it. After using a Dynatron I just had to have one. I know it'll seem like a lot of money but it's totally worth it. There are still guys using ones made a long time ago and they work just fine.Regards, Brandon Bartolomucci; Team Synergy; Team Scorpion; & Team Bavarian Demon; AMA# L939231
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07-25-2012 07:04 PM  8 years ago
ticedoff8

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The relay is stuck.
Bang it on the ground a few times.

I used to have to do that on the Align starter when I used the 5S LiPo pack. The relay would stick and the starter would keep running. It was a pain especially with the heli running and me trying to control a runaway starter.
I would bang it on the ground a few times and that generally stopped it. I also had the 5S pack attached with the battery compartment open, so I could pull the plug if that didn't work.

I got rid of mine - I replaced it with a 15 year old Hobico stater and a 4S LiPo velcroed to the side. Works great on the OS & YS 91 engines.

BTW: Don't get the Sullivan 6mm heli extension. They are no good.
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07-25-2012 08:26 PM  8 years ago
bkervaski

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Don't get the Sullivan 6mm heli extension. They are no good.
Are you talking about this one? It's the best one out there.

Team Synergy Factory Specialist / Scorpion / Thunder Power / Byron's Fuels
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07-25-2012 09:05 PM  8 years ago
ch-47c

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I've had my Sullivan Dynatron since 1986 and it still works great. I bought a Sullivan extension when they came out and it worked great until the hex-ball worn round. I called Sullivan and he asked a question to verify what I had and he sent me the new hardened extension.
I like Sullivan Products and their service when I need it.

I have an Align stater too and it uses 3 cell pack. Wouldn't a 5 cell weld the relay closed?
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07-25-2012 09:50 PM  8 years ago
ticedoff8

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bkervaski:
Yes, that is a piece of crap.

I bought it for $95 and used it 5 or 10 times, and the chrome started peeling off the shaft where it engages with the 1-way bearing.
After that, the starter / 1-way (red handle of the Sullivan) spins, but the shaft is stationary.
At first, I thought I stripped out the 1-way bearing on my clutch, but I could hold the starter shaft in my fingers once it stopped spinning.

Two other guys in my flying field had the same problem with this starter. One guy sent his back, and they sent him a "new and improved" replacement - and it did the same thing (peeled the chrome plate off).

There is an active thread about this on RunRyder
https://rc.runryder.com/t701220p1/

I called Sullivan, and the response was "Send it back (you pay the postage) and we will see what we can do."

I bought a $25 Century model. I expect it will break / strip / whatever; but it is $25 to replace. I used it 5 times, and the 1-way locked up - no big deal, the engine clutch has a 1-way built in. When the 6mm hex end of the shaft rounds out, it is $5 to replace it.
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07-25-2012 09:54 PM  8 years ago
ticedoff8

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I have an Align stater too and it uses 3 cell pack. Wouldn't a 5 cell weld the relay closed?
Yep - that's why I would bang it on the ground.
I needed the 5S to start the OS / YS 91 engines. With the 3S, the Align just stalls.

My Hobbico is old as the hills. I think I bought it in the '80s. It works great on the .91s with a 5S.
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07-25-2012 11:46 PM  8 years ago
McKrackin

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I run 3S in my Align starter and use it 100's of times on an OS91HZ and an OS91HZ-PS...No stalling or even laboring.

If it's stuck on,my guess is someone ignored the 3S specification.lol...

This is an OS91HZ

Watch at YouTube

I literally never use the word literally right.
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07-25-2012 11:47 PM  8 years ago
bkervaski

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That's weird about the Sullivan Start Shaft, I've had mine for years cranking 90's, maybe they changed the material or something.Team Synergy Factory Specialist / Scorpion / Thunder Power / Byron's Fuels
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07-26-2012 12:04 AM  8 years ago
bart2546

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I too had heard about the issues people had with the Sullivan wand but I've got a used one on my Dynatron and so far have no issues. Maybe they're hit or miss. To me, it appears the incidents are somewhat isolated but maybe not.Regards, Brandon Bartolomucci; Team Synergy; Team Scorpion; & Team Bavarian Demon; AMA# L939231
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07-26-2012 12:09 AM  8 years ago
whiskey

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Yea my Sullivan wand has been great. 3 years old and fine. Maybe you got a bad one.
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07-26-2012 12:24 AM  8 years ago
ticedoff8

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I heard the same thing about the Sullivan - that's why I paid $95.
My LHS guy LOVES his - but his is older and the wand doesn't have the chrome plate where the 1-way engages it.

As for the Align and .91 size motors - on a well worn out .91 they might work fine. I've heard of guys using it on the OS 1.05 too. But the 1.05 has a lower compression ratio than the .91 engines

In my case, there were three guys at the field with the Align starter and they were using nice new TP 3S1P 2200 that were nice fitting to the handle of the starter.
They used them on the Trex 600N and other 60-size helis. They thought they were great. That's why I bought mine.
After I couldn't start my OS 91HZ-PS or the YS 91Sr-3DS with the Align, I borrowed their's one at a time - and they couldn't start these motors either.
I tried 4 Align starters, each with 3S packs, and none of them could easily start the motors. They all stalled and started hammering and then the would stop. 4 strikes, and you are out.
Before you say "Well, you are a moron and didn't understand what hydro-locking", well, I am a moron, but I do know what hydro-locking is. These were just motors with good compression.

I tried loosing the glow plug, adding a shim to the motor and finally using a 5S battery. The best "solution" was to use the 5S battery and be ready to bang it on the ground to un-stick the relay.

The better solution was to get the Hobbico down out of the rafters and use the 5S battery on that.
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07-26-2012 01:16 AM  8 years ago
McKrackin

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Before you say "Well, you are a moron and didn't understand what hydro-locking", well, I am a moron, but I do know what hydro-locking is.
lol...Where did that come from?

The only insult being thrown here is you saying all of us 1000's of guys using a 3S Align starter on a 91,all have junky worn out engines.
As for the Align and .91 size motors - on a well worn out .91 they might work fine
After a 100 gallons or so,what are the odds that my engine was once new and has been rebuilt a few times?
I literally never use the word literally right.
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07-26-2012 01:33 AM  8 years ago
co_rotorhead

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They used them on the Trex 600N and other 60-size helis.
I don't see many 60s anymore. What engines were in them? I had a Raptor 60 for a brief period a few years back with an OS 70 in it. I remember my crappy starter being able to turn it over pretty easily.
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07-26-2012 03:31 AM  8 years ago
ch-47c

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When the Sully Ext first came out, what everyone thought was a one-way problem was the bearing spinning in the bore. A British gent suggested the bearing be pulled out and the surfaces cleaned and Loctited with the red version (needs heat to remove). I did that and the slipping stopped. The extension is really good once you get the kinks out. I know you expect it to work perfectly out of the box, but we are modelers and you have to make things and if if doesn't work, you tweaked it.
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07-26-2012 03:33 AM  8 years ago
ch-47c

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The Align starter. Is there a difference between the yellow and the black versions besides color? I have the black version and it turns .91s and 1.20 heli engines.
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07-26-2012 12:37 PM  8 years ago
chikoseye

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been using align starter with my 700/600, works fine every time for me. uses 3s lipo with the maximum mAh that it would be difficult to put inside the starter. the starter never fails.. knock on wood..lol
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07-26-2012 01:19 PM  8 years ago
adamsz06

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+1 on the Sullivan...mine's 7 years old and still good as new. Never had a problem....R.I.P. Roman
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