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07-23-2012 08:44 PM  8 years ago
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We Can't Make Americans Safer By Making Them Defenseless
The world is aware and aghast at the horrible and bizarre tragedy that took place in Aurora, CO. At the time of this writing, the details are still somewhat sketchy but as they emerge it becomes evident that James Holmes had been planning this abominable evil for some time.

From the pictures I've seen so far, this monster appears perfectly normal; not the look of a heartless mass murderer on the level with any al-Qaeda terrorist, capable of causing indiscriminate death and suffering with no regard for age or innocence.

The true extent of the suffering he has caused can only be felt by the family members of the dead victims and those who lie in hospital beds, their lives forever changed for doing something as mundane as walking into a movie theater. My heart and prayers go out to each one of them.

The nation is in shock and wondering how we go about keeping acts like this from ever happening again. Of course the politicians are licking their chops and the anti-gun lobby is chomping at the bit to take advantage of the moment to pass some meaningless piece of feel good firearms legislation.

Let me say here and now. I have owned guns since my preteen years, every male in our family had guns, our neighbors had guns, our acquaintances had guns, but not one of us ever fired one in an offensive fashion unless it was by virtue of serving in the military, or in a sheriff's posse in bygone years.

There are enough firearms laws on the books now to paper the south wall of the Grand Canyon, and I - and folks like me - abide by them. We're the ones who apply for carry permits, buy our guns from reputable dealers and not from some thug on the street corner. We're the ones who buy the hunting licenses, observe all the safety rules and never point a gun, empty or loaded at anything we don't want to shoot.

The people President Obama referred to as clinging to our “guns or religion” are not the ones who hold up liquor stores, we're not the home invaders, or the bank robbers, we're not the ones who rape defenseless women at gunpoint, we don't do drive by shootings or terrorize convenience stores.

The only reason any of us would shoot another human being would be to protect ourselves and our families. And yet knowing this, there are those who would make it a crime for people like us to own a gun.

Well, to those of you of that persuasion, let me pose a question. If the people who kill and maim with guns they have illegally obtained won't obey the volumes of gun laws on the books now, what makes you think they would obey a new one that required that everybody give up their guns.

Do you honestly think it would make America a safer place or would it make every house in America a potential target for home invasion, the criminals knowing that the most lethal weapon they'd have to face would be a water pistol?

Would it make car jacking easier for the criminals if they knew that the driver is not going to pull out a .40 cal and put their lights out?

Would convenience store employees be safer?

Would the nurse who works the late shift and has to approach her car in a dim parking garage feel more at ease?

Would the people who would not be alive now had they not had a weapon when some thug accosted them say they think it's a good idea?

It's so simple, instead of putting more Band-Aids on the problem it needs to be dealt with in a mature fashion. Instead of taking the legal guns out of the locked gun cases in law abiding citizen's homes, take the illegal guns out of the hands of the violent punks who use them to harm innocent people, and you don't need a new law for that, it's already on the books in triplicate.

These thugs already have guns you can't even buy legally now. Try buying an Uzi or a MAC-10 through legal channels.

Gun dealers who let guns walk without proper clearances should be put out of business; we already have laws for that.

Firearms companies who knowingly let firearms go to outlets they know will sell them to criminals should be banned from doing business in America and we already have a law for that now.

Attorney generals who put guns into the hands of Mexican drug cartels should be prosecuted. We have laws for that too if there wasn't a president standing in the way.

What do you think?

Pray for our troops, and for our country.

God Bless America

Charlie Daniels

http://cnsnews.com/blog/charlie-dan...hem-defenseless
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07-23-2012 08:52 PM  8 years ago
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07-23-2012 10:03 PM  8 years ago
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Well said there starfish i dont agree with everything you wrote in you post. I understand you are sadden over the incident' but still want to maintain gun in the home in the face of what just happen, this 's the same reason that led
to the many shooting across the country.

For a very very long time ago there use to be some fanatic goverment
that use to gun down there citizen in an ethnic clensing format,
other wise know as genocide' this kind of arbitratid killing
have drive fear trough the world. We are living in a different
time period folks dont think this stuff trough anymore.

People nowadays is using this as bargain chip as to why we should
arms our house,'i call this nonsense'because if a government
is going to whipe out people into an ethnic clenging style killing
they will not allow anyone to have house to houe gun.

There 's a thing call random act of violence nothing it 's nothing you can do to escape from it when your time come, if you need a gun to protect you from such you are just waisting your time.

In many 3rd world only criminal have gun because law abibing citizen is not allow to have them and not a single one of us
see any mass killing going or mass robbing and raping etc'
or there government killing them off 'and these are country
that don't have house to house gun

look at these country death ratio by gun compare to the USA
there 're relatively low, there's no true data out to support
the claim that out law gun is wrecking hovac in america."But
the data is there to show accidental death by gun or by leagal gun.
So gun is the roots of gun problem not man, ';now man can fix the
problem by eliminating gun.
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07-23-2012 10:34 PM  8 years ago
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Esco:
Go read in total the Second Amendment to the
US Constitution.

Then, when you have consumed it, think WHY the
Founders put it there please.

Do you follow world history???
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07-23-2012 11:28 PM  8 years ago
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Go read in total the Second Amendment to the
US Constitution.
Who want to read the 2nd AMEND: it 's why we are having so much
gun death in this age. Can the 2nd amendment bring these people
back to life.?? my guess it sure cant.
I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,
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07-23-2012 11:40 PM  8 years ago
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Those deaths are a small price for my freedom.
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07-23-2012 11:59 PM  8 years ago
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Esco, you don't get it and unfortunately you will NEVER get it.
Guns are not to blame. Having the right to own a gun is not to blame.
If you take away all of the guns then killers will use knives.
Take the knives away then it will be sticks, or rocks, poison or anything that they CAN kill with. I know you don't understand this; but, hey I have some time to kill.
If somebody wants to kill people that is what he/she is going to do.
You are always crying about it being too easy to get a gun in this country. And, that guns are too easy to get. Yet, you have one.
Have you ever LEGALLY bought a gun? Have you ever signed the papers with all of your information that is given to the ATF (Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosives)? Then, let them (ATF) investigate you through databases that check your history. I mean it will tell them about the speeding ticket that you got way back when.
I'm guessing you haven't since you would be turned down. You gotta be a legal, law abiding citizen.
How did you get your gun? You admitted on here that you have one.
Did you get it from Leroy down the street?
There's the problem. Lawless individuals who will do whatever they want to do, whenever they want to do it.
This is the United States of America. We have the GUARANTEED right to own a gun. Guaranteed I say.
Think about this. Are you guaranteed the right to own a car? A house? A bicycle? Or any other tangible item? Nope, you are not guaranteed that right. Nowhere in the Constitution are these things specifically named.
But, yes, you are guaranteed the right to bear arms.
This is what this country is founded on, and this is what this country goes by.
I know you don't like it. And I, and plenty of other folks, couldn't care any less how little you like the 2nd amendment.
That's the way it is. It's this simple. Either get over it or choke on it. Which is what you seem to be doing. Choking on it. Hey, there is another option. You can always go back home.
One more question. Do you think some deranged lunatic is going to walk into a shopping mall, store, theater, or any place of business to do great harm if he/she knows that the folks inside are armed and ready to take them out?
When you know that people won't/can't defend themselves it gives you a great ability to commit crime. Put the idea in the criminal's mind that the "victim" is gonna defend themselves and I guarantee you that is going to change some minds.
Here is a picture for all to see. Some businesses are starting to post these on the front of their stores. Good for them.

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07-24-2012 12:37 AM  8 years ago
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Well Said :
Best analogy I can think of is in the Movie Raider's of the Lost Ark or one of the Dr. Jone's adventure movies

7' 380 Lb Pune Job - snares Dr. Jone's whip

Monster Savage Pull's a HUGH Machete or Saber ready to cleave Dr. Jones in two pieces.

Dr. Jone's pull's out a Old Hog Leg revolver;

BANG !

Dr. Jone's get's his whip back

Dr Jone's / Dr.Jone's
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07-24-2012 12:51 AM  8 years ago
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I agree with the starfish for the most part but there is one thing:
We're the ones who apply for carry permits, buy our guns from reputable dealers and not from some thug on the street corner.
The guy we are talking about walked in, got permits and purchased his gear legally as stated by the police. So he is like you, me and 1/2 of the rest of the country in that regards.

How he differs is in his mind and the horrible act he embarked upon.

There's conspiracy theories floating around from he was plain jane psychotic to an Islamic organization recruited him.

Everyone will have their set opinion. Mine is as simple as he was immersed in the Batman/Joker culture/movies so much that he simply began to plan to act it out himself.

With the realism in movies we have today and the acceptance of mass killings/shooting on the entire internet, it really should not come as a shock to anyone what happened.

It's just a matter of time and planning (which he did), that someone will follow through with what their brain processes and perceives in the media/movies/internet. This stuff is in front of them 24/7 literally programming people's brains. This will continue unless there is a change in media and what is deemed 'acceptable'. Right now, our society has accepted and craves killing. It's evident everywhere.

Gun control is not the answer and never will be. There is another answer out there so I'm left wondering why the gun control or 2nd amendment debate comes up at all and threads like these are created (including the equally silly anti-gun propaganda threads).

You will always have the two sides pro and con. Always.
Those deaths are a small price for my freedom.
Inspector Fuzz, look up the definition of freedom.

The 2nd amendment isn't the right to freedom.

It's the right to bear arms.

Many other countries do not have this, yet people have freedom.
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07-24-2012 02:21 AM  8 years ago
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This thread is a breath of fresh air! Seeing people post their thoughts on issues instead of copy/pasting. We must honor those who have fought and died for our rights sworn to us under the constitution by practicing those rights!
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07-24-2012 02:29 AM  8 years ago
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And if the time comes for us to do as they did...
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07-24-2012 02:42 AM  8 years ago
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If you take away all of the guns then killers will use knives.
Take the knives away then it will be sticks, or rocks, poison or anything that they CAN kill with. I know you don't understand this; but, hey I have some time to kill.
If somebody wants to kill people that is what he/she is going to do.
You are always crying about it being too easy to get a gun in this country. And
People is going to die regardless dont get me wrong.
Many folks will think twice before he poke him self a knife,
or trow them self off a cliff or walked into on-coming car.
But the gun is fast and easy so folks will go that route
that 's what they doing. ME i dont have the heart to stab someone
or hit them with a base ball bat i will get nervous and wont be able
to hit are stab them hard enough, but if i had a gun all i have to
is press the trigger and it a done deal. and this is why everyone is using a gun nowadays.
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07-24-2012 02:50 AM  8 years ago
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but if i had a gun
You do have a gun, making you a hypocrite....you better get rid of it, you are a prime candidate to snap.
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07-24-2012 02:58 AM  8 years ago
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You do have a gun, making you a hypocrite....you better get rid of it, you are a prime candidate to snap.
I lost family member to legal gun and it not a pretty feeling
and you haven't thay 's why you triumph so much for gun. Like i said
every dog have it days one day you might end up feeling bad that you
are gun right advocate.
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07-24-2012 04:26 AM  8 years ago
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You say you lost a member to a gun, the military, gangs, aliens...did I miss any... and yet you still own a gun, you talk the talk but don't walk the walk....and how do you know what I have or have not lost? and I will never feel bad about gun ownership...ever.Caliber 90 FT os91 c-spec
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07-24-2012 12:28 PM  8 years ago
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WE should get rid of the first ammendment as it will show that video games and movies are what made this guy violent! It would also cut down on the internet bullying and all of that false "news" we get on TV.
We would just get the "news" the government wants us to get and we'd all be "safer"!
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!
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07-24-2012 12:59 PM  8 years ago
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Who want to read the 2nd AMEND: it 's why we are having so much
gun death in this age. Can the 2nd amendment bring these people
back to life.?? my guess it sure cant.
The second amendment was here before you came here,if you didnt like it you shouldnt have come.
Its like the jacka$$'s that build a house next to an airport then complain about the noise.
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07-24-2012 01:08 PM  8 years ago
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has there ever been a shooting spree at a gun range or gun show?
It would also cut down on the internet bullying and all of that false "news" we get on TV.
That's BS and just as bad as saying that guns are responsible for these shootings. If either claim were true, then all video gamers would be using their guns to kill everyone around them.
Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!
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07-24-2012 01:11 PM  8 years ago
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has there ever been a shooting spree at a gun range or gun show?
There should always be more good guys with guns then bad guys with guns.
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07-24-2012 01:12 PM  8 years ago
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That's my point. You don't see shooting sprees in locations containing well armed individuals.Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!
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