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07-23-2012 11:48 AM  8 years ago
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Propwash3D

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Piro flips all over the place
Hey guys im getting into piro flips...actually been working on them for about a month vigorously...sometimes my time is on and soimetimes it not...in the simulator i can keep it pretty stable and in one place. at the feild its a differnt story..its everywhere..

iv watched vids on line watched the smack talk vids..how agressive shou8ld your stir be..if i just peg the sticks it dont work for me..i almosy have to be very diligent watch the heli and then do my inoputs...any techniques you guys recoment when to cue on the stick..if the tail is directly twoards you where should ur cyclic sticks be..im getting frustrated..i know practice practice practe..but i almost feel i have been practicing the wrong thing
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07-23-2012 12:07 PM  8 years ago
Darren Lee

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Maybe you should watch the Smacktalk episode again. Bert does a great job of answering all your questions.

For a standard piroflip with the disc rotating away from yourself, the cyclic stick should be at 12 o'clock when upright tail-in and inverted nose-in.
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07-23-2012 12:18 PM  8 years ago
wrongler

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I have been practicing them for a bit longer than that and still can't keep the Heli in one spot, Timing is everything! Its getting better but, I think it has something to do with natural ability, coordination, eyesight and age!
Good Luck and stick with it.
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07-23-2012 01:35 PM  8 years ago
KevinB

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I still have not mastered them either, but I've made progress. One thing I've found is that the "timing" is important when you are first learning to do them, but for fine tuning the piroflip, you can't rely on it. Keep the piro rate slower to start with and fly through the manoeuver. Until you can make corrections mid-piroflip, you can't get them locked in place except by accident.

One thing that seemed to really help this was learning a piro hurricane. That took hours of sim time but it really gets you used to making those little corrections when the heli is travelling in different orientations. It was while learning this other move that I actually began to see and be able to correct when the piroflip started to move off base and bring it back before it got too out of shape.

Don't know if this will work for you, but it certainly helped with mine. Good luck!

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07-23-2012 04:12 PM  8 years ago
holzback

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It is all about pitch control to keep it in one spot. The least amount of pitch the betteryou aint crashin you aint learnin
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07-23-2012 04:19 PM  8 years ago
Rogman88

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One thing that seemed to really help this was learning a piro hurricane.
Same here. As my piro hurricanes got better, so did my piroflips. Some watch the tail, I watch the nose of the heli. A common practice is to do them fast with buried sticks so that you can get the heli all the way half flipped in one chunk. This was how I started and failed to progress. One day my packs started weakening and my head speed dropped and I noticed all of the sudden I was doing them much better than ever before because I was slowing everything down to compensate for the lower head speed. The lower head speed also kept my poor collective management from throwing he heli all over the place when I gave a tad too much negative and positive pitch. Now I don't even try and do them in idleup 2 anymore. I do them slow in idleup one and they look much better while staying in one spot.
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07-23-2012 04:23 PM  8 years ago
Propwash3D

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piro hurrican
can u point me in a direction of a piro huricane? any vidoes. sounds complicated...complet piro flips while hurricaning or pirrotts?
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07-23-2012 05:02 PM  8 years ago
marc8090

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It's a hurricane while pirouetting only, no flips.
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07-23-2012 05:44 PM  8 years ago
OICU812

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If you can keep it normal and inverted in one spot while doing piros "level" all of what's said is for sure correct. If not then ensure before the (flip) part that you have that control to maintain one position both normal and inverted with various speed piros. Timing alone is not enough, total orientation is required to correct and adapt to the speed of the piro to keep the piroflip in one mass position....Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
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07-23-2012 06:52 PM  8 years ago
rudyy

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Me too, I am also learning full piro flip, but I realize it will be a long long way to go (in months or maybe over a year!!) to make it look perfect.

The way I practise is that once I flip it, I try to level the heli as quickly as possible before triggering another flip. So, right now, I end up having a couple of pirohovering and then a flip and then a couple of pirohovering, and so on.

I find out that if I do not level the heli first, but just stir the cyclic stick, the heli will be all over the place.
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07-23-2012 07:16 PM  8 years ago
BladeStrikes

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Before even trying piro flips,you need to learn these moves first inverted and upright --->

Piro in one spot..
Piro while moving around and pick a spot to stop the heli while its still piroing.
Do piroing circles
Piro left/right in a stright line
Piro front/back in a stright line

Learning stuff like that is like learning the basics in hovering before trying forward flight.You can't skip the basics or it will look like crap or you'll for-sure soon crash.

The awesome part about learning the basics is it opens doors to other moves like these---->

Piroing loops
Piroing rainbows
Piroing tictocs

Took me under a year to learn all that stuff and im doing it with my real heli (still working with piroing rainbows/tictocs but can do them)..Takes ALOT of time and work but for sure pays off in the long run as long as you don't skip basics..
Learning that stuff also helps if the tail fails
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07-23-2012 07:23 PM  8 years ago
OICU812

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Exactly correct Lon. Far too many people skip those steps just wanting to do the maneuver not realizing the lost costs and benefits....Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
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07-24-2012 02:57 AM  8 years ago
Stephen Born

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Right Lon. Each technique leads to the next. Don't skip on the learning curve.
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07-24-2012 03:07 AM  8 years ago
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Thanks for the ideas guys.

When I went back and analyzed what I was doing, I was making all my leveling corrections approaching right side up level, and just "riding through" the inverted level point in my piroflips..... which weren't always really level. I am able to do very controlled upright piros and move the heli to specific points, but when I tried the same thing inverted, I sucked !!

So, back to the basics on my inverted flying. Funny things is, in an inverted piro-hurricane, I don't seem to have a problem. Go figure. I guess in fast flight, you are eliminating one of the possible axis that needs correction so it's easier???

Once I get my inverted stationary piros fixed, I'll be able to correct my piroflips twice as often and that should improve the stationary aspect a lot. Excellent!

KevinB
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07-24-2012 04:40 AM  8 years ago
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Here's a tip for y'all; When you do the piroflip use just a little collective and then add the cyclic as needed to get the machine to flip from upright to inverted and back. Vary the piro rate so you can learn to vary the stir and this is the trick that will help you a lot; when you flip from upright to inverted make sure you use just enough cyclic to flatten the disk and once the disk is flat and the heli is pirouetting you can keep the stir in time by using what I call a "faux stir", IOW you keep on stirring the stick but the heli doesn't actually flip until you want to flip it back to upright. Your thumb is actually stirring but you don't move the helicopter because you are just stirring in your head and thumb muscle to maintain the timing with the pirouette. By doing this over time you will learn to steer the heli while it is pirouetting and you can then move the heli around as you gain experience. If you don't vary the piro rate the maneuver will become mechanical and that's what you don't want.

It also helps when you are stirring if you feel all side of the gimbal as you stir the stick. If you don't feel all sides of the gimbal the piro flip will look like it's out of whack as the disk is flipping and you won't be able to get the heli to stay put.

If this stuff were easy, we could all be doing it but it's not and it takes practice. I've been practicing this one maneuver for 3 years and I still make progress every time I go to fly. BTW, pirouetting in one direction will limit your progression. Do the piro in both directions no matter how much it throws you back in the short term. With a little practice you won't notice which direction you were favoring.

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07-25-2012 04:34 AM  8 years ago
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practice at the field with a lower HS, helps with learning the timingBe sure the juice is worth the sqweeze
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07-30-2012 03:00 AM  8 years ago
rudyy

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I know by the time if I can perform piro hovering and travelling both right side up and up side down without the need to think about it, then I am ready for the full piro flip. It is just like learning stationary hovering.
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