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07-26-2012 03:02 AM  8 years ago
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You've not succeeded in explaining your original comment. Anyone who gives it an honest read would agree it's a completely out of line, stereotypical, racist comment.

You should either apologize for it, or stand up and own it. Attempting to laugh it off as humor isn't nearly sufficient.

I'm all for spirited political debate. but has it really become acceptable to wish the death of our president, or anyone else, because of political differences?
I actually don't have to explain it to you! You don't know me, and you have no idea what I am about. For all you know, I am black myself, but you may be to simpleminded to think about that. The last thing I will do is apologize for a statement made against a man who detests this country. He is evil pure and simple.

Now, do I really wish him to die, NO, but I do want him out of office. I would be happy if he just got sick enough where he couldn't hold office anymore. Obama getting sick would be for the greater good! One man for millions,, I think it's justified.
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07-26-2012 03:03 AM  8 years ago
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He must be a black dude.

White dudes are not allowed to talk like that.
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07-26-2012 03:08 AM  8 years ago
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Baby uh1

I've noticed you mostly just engage in personal attacks. I'm not going to engage you in discussion on that level. You have anything of substance to discuss?
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07-26-2012 03:09 AM  8 years ago
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Yeah, don't you know that only liberals are allowed to wish for someone to die for political reasons?
And you better be wishing for someone to die who's name ends in ush!
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!
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07-26-2012 03:15 AM  8 years ago
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He is No Representation of the Culture of THIS FREE nation.

The comment was not RACIST, - YOU read it as RACIST, - Hence Forth the Racist.

Further, - the issue's and problem this country is entering, is beyond anything you can visualize, ----or feel,- Yet you are whining and crying in your Capt. Crunch.

You should be focusing LONG TERM, for those yet not BORN, for they inherent the DEBT, - for this manufactured MAN, and his directive minions, CREATED.

The largest problem we have: Is the population has forgot - to stand their ground, - keep what is there's, - { They EARNED IT WITH SWEAT EQUITY }.

The Majority depends on those that earned it, - to give it free willingly - to those that did not.

We SHOULD HAVE never forgot -- How to OBJECT :

Complacency and APATHY and IGNORANCE

THE Government is for - The Free Willing : To be Governed

We have allowed the Free Willing ; - part to be Eroded. FORCED To give - to others - that did nothing to deserve it or earn it.

Sound's Crass ? I GIVE BIG and I live like a simple man.

SO whine about Symantec's : I hope the working public begins to practice what they were taught a 1000 year's ago.

Maybe you will be looking for watermelon's - potatoes - tomatoes and chicken bone's for soup or any low hanging fruit.

Maybe someone will share a egg with you.
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07-26-2012 04:10 AM  8 years ago
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jcoahran,

So, would you want to tell me who you stand behind? If you stand behind this "So called president", a travesity to America, then I see you in a dark light just as he is. How can people actually be blind to everything he does and says, not to mention his horrible wife. Didn't it say something when he first got elected that she stated, "For once in my life I am proud of this country"? That was a big red flag right there. Another flag was the fact that Obama had listened to Reverand Racist his whole life. If you grow up hearing something over and over, you're gonna start to believe it too.

How about the fact that the man never puts his hand over his heart for the flag during the anthem? Flag again? How about the man apologizing for America over and over again? How about the comment Michelle made which was lip read when she stated, "All this for a flag"! Now, that is just the tip of the iceberg and that is just the trivial stuff. How about the fact that the man has tripled our national debt, but he goes on TV saying that he and Bill Clinton are the two presidents that have spent the least amount in their presidency. What about Solyndra,, millions of taxpayers money gone just like that, amazing that the company goes out of business right afterward.

I personally love the fact that the man continues to go after the 2nd Amendment. How brazen and arrogant do you have to be to try to FU## with the constitution. What about the Obamacare BS,, which more than half this country didn't even want, but he still forces it down America's throat and for what, his own pride? Obamacare is going to cost trillions in the years to come,, TRILLIONS! This is the biggest tax hike ever! The man is going to hurt businesses everywhere, but he doesn't care because the poor people out there must have healthcare. Maybe those people should go get a job,, oh wait, they can't because unemployment is down to a ridiculous percent. The only thing that has gone up during Obama's presidency is GAS and the NATIONAL DEBT!!! Yes, I will blame Obama for the gas, since he is doing nothing to help it and has stated himself he wanted it higher. Everyone blamed Bush for high gas, so now it's this idiots turn.

By the way, I still don't believe the man was even born here in America. He would have had no issue showing his BC right off the bat if nothing was wrong, but no, he decided to drag it out because he had to get a fake one. The man is an insult to this country!! I still have barely tipped the iceberg with all this SH## this man has pulled. I detest the man and everything he stands for! I detest his wife, and Nancy Pelosi! I detest Holder and all his lies. The man lies almost as much as Obama does, but hey go ahead and vote for him, throw away the country and all that our founders worked for. You make me sick if you back this so called president!!
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07-26-2012 06:16 AM  8 years ago
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The democrats are clamoring to see Romney's tax returns. Probably just to see what a tax return looks like, since most of them don't pay any taxes.When u don't feel like soaring through the air with a plane, beat it into submission w/ a heli!
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07-26-2012 01:09 PM  8 years ago
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Direct quotes from Blades345 on President Obama:
I hope he chokes on a chicken wing bone before that happens, or maybe he'll choke on a few watermelon seeds and make most of America happy!
By the way, I still don't believe the man was even born here in America. He would have had no issue showing his BC right off the bat if nothing was wrong, but no, he decided to drag it out because he had to get a fake one.
You stand by your stereotypical, racist comment, and you're a "birther". We really have nothing substantive to discuss further.

GREYEAGLE

Your prose is cute and simplistic (at best). Have you considered writing in complete sentences, or expressing complete thoughts?
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07-26-2012 03:29 PM  8 years ago
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How about the fact that the man never puts his hand over his heart for the flag during the anthem?
Plenty of pictures with his hand over his heart just like there are plenty of pictures of both Bush's with their hands crossed below their waist with everyone else saluting. Heck I have a picture of junior signing a flag, that is disrespectful.
How about the comment Michelle made which was lip read when she stated, "All this for a flag"
No one knows what she said, reading lips is not accurate, it is just a hate filled assumption by the right.
I personally love the fact that the man continues to go after the 2nd Amendment
the only thing Obama as president has done to the 2nd Amendment is allow CCW's into National Parks. Both bush's tried to extend the assault weapon ban. It was President George Bush, Sr. who banned the import of "assault weapons" in 1989, and promoted the view that Americans should only be allowed to own weapons suitable for "sporting purposes."
I still don't believe the man was even born here in America
I guess the fact that states have approved his birth in order to put him on the next ballot isn't good enough for you. Even Arizona has approved his status to be on the ballot and all politicians in Arizona hate Obama.

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And if you think that Mittens will not go after our 2A, your fooling yourself.

Quoted from an article:
NBC News anchor Brian Williams pressed Romney about his tenure as Massachusetts governor, when the presumptive GOP nominee signed a bill that banned some assault weapons like the type Holmes is alleged to have used. At the time, Romney described such guns as "instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people."
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07-26-2012 05:57 PM  8 years ago
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I'm not happy with the nomination of Mitt but since Obama is behind the Fast and Furious attack on the second ammendment and the collateral damage from that illegal operation there is no way that I will ever support Obama!Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!
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07-26-2012 07:25 PM  8 years ago
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You stand by your stereotypical, racist comment, and you're a "birther". We really have nothing substantive to discuss further
You see it as racist, but again I am not racist so I don't really care what you think in regards to my statement. You have nothing substantive to discuss, that doesn't surprise me much. I kinda figured you had a low intelligence from the beginning!
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07-26-2012 07:30 PM  8 years ago
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No one knows what she said, reading lips is not accurate, it is just a hate filled assumption by the right.
Deaf people seem to be able to do it just fine all the time. I have had conversations with deaf people who understood everything I said. We all know what the BIT## said. Her and the so called president hate this country and need to be kicked out of the office.
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07-26-2012 07:39 PM  8 years ago
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No one knows what she said, reading lips is not accurate, it is just a hate filled assumption by the right.
You are mistaken my friend.

I have about a 45% hearing loss. Before I got my hearing aids, I had to learn to read lips better than half the time while looking at people. I could not understand them if they were looking away and I could not see their face.

Its not only lips some people can read. Its facial expressions and body language as well. It all ties together.

Now that I have hearing aids, they don't do it all the time. I still have to read lips. Just less.

She did say what she is accused of saying. Its very, very obvious to me. I am somewhat of an expert with better than half a lifetime of experience.
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07-26-2012 07:55 PM  8 years ago
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07-26-2012 08:28 PM  8 years ago
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Translation :

Have you considered writing in complete sentences, or expressing complete thoughts?


I THUNK -- MA BRAIN HURT"S NOW
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07-26-2012 09:41 PM  8 years ago
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07-26-2012 09:43 PM  8 years ago
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07-26-2012 10:33 PM  8 years ago
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You are mistaken my friend.
I will take the word from the people at the Center for Hearing Loss over your word Dennis.

http://www.hearinglosshelp.com/arti...eechreading.htm

Question: I am looking for information on lip-reading—it’s accuracy and associated difficulties. I understand that lip-reading really is very hard and not particularly accurate.—R. F.

Answer: Speechreading is a fascinating subject. Lip-reading is the old term for what we now more accurately call speechreading.

You are right. Speechreading is neither easy nor accurate—but it is indispensable to me and multitudes of hard of hearing people. We use it every day in order to effectively communicate with others.

I am a "native" speechreader, having had to speechread from the day I was born. Also, I am one of the few people that are specifically trained to be speechreading instructors. What I'll be saying comes from my 50+ years of speechreading every day and from my experience teaching speechreading and hearing loss coping skills to others.

Speechreading is not normally used by itself. It is just one of three hearing loss coping skills we use to communicate effectively. The other two are wearing hearing aids/using assistive listening devices and practicing effective coping strategies.

Combining speechreading with wearing hearing aids is very important. In a study at the University of Manchester researchers found that hard of hearing people just using their residual hearing understood 21 percent of speech. If they combined their residual hearing with either a hearing aid or with speechreading, they could understand 64 percent of speech. This is a significant improvement. However, if they used their residual hearing and both hearing aids and speechreading, their speech comprehension soared to 90 percent.

English is not a particularly easy language to speechread. Some languages are much easier (and some are even harder). The best estimates are that 30% to 35% of English sounds can be speechread. In order for a sound to be easily speechread, it must be formed on the lips and/or in the front of the mouth.

Unfortunately for us, we form many English sounds in the middle of our mouths. Others come from the back of our mouths and even in our throats. These latter are absolutely impossible to speechread.

As a result, a perfect speechreader only would be able to speechread about one third of what is said. They guess at the rest, taking into consideration their understanding of the spoken language, the body language of the speaker and the subject under discussion. Some people are remarkably good at guessing but no one is perfect.

I know some remarkable speechreaders. Hilda is one of them. She is totally deaf but you'd never know it from the way she seems to understand speech. She is just awesome! However, even the best of speechreaders can lose it. For example, one day we were at a seminar together. The speaker chose as her topic, things she admired about each speechreading instructor present. She mentioned Hilda first. When Hilda saw her name on the speaker's lips it so totally threw her that she wasn't able to speechread a single thing from that speech! Now if that happens to the best--think of what it does for the rest of us.

Another thing you should know about speechreading is that during normal speech, we make approximately 13 to 15 speech movements per second. However, our eyes can only pick up 8 or 9 of these movements. Thus it is impossible to speechread perfectly. If a person is talking at a normal rate, we will miss between one quarter and one half of what he says just because our brains can't keep up. It sure helps us if the speaker talks more slowly or leaves long pauses to give our brains a chance to catch up.

In order for speechreading to be effective we have to know the subject being discussed. Hearing people tell us to get the meaning from the context. This only works when we know the context. What happens when we can't hear enough to figure out the context? Let me give you an example.

Many words in English look the same on a speaker's lips but have different sounds. We call these words homophenes. When we can't hear the sounds, we cannot tell these words apart.

Let's say I approach a group of hunters in the fall and I see the word "shoot" on one person’s lips. I assume they are talking about hunting or shooting and I chime in with something in like vein.

They look at me surprised/perplexed/bemused. My remarks were totally off the wall to them. Why? They were talking about their footwear, not about hunting! You see, the words "shoot," "shoes," "chews," "juice," "June" and "Jews" look exactly the same on a person’s lips. I thought I knew the context from their garb and the words I saw, but I would have had it completely wrong.

There are numerous homophenes in English. Words as different as "queen" and "white" look the same on a person's lips. So do the three words in the sentence, "Buy my pie."

It becomes obvious that trying to figure out which word is the right one is very difficult if you don’t know ahead of time what the context is. It should be equally obvious now that the estimate of up to 35% of English words being easy to speechread is overstated since many of these words are ambiguous when speechread.

Some people are very easy to speechread. They are a pleasure to talk to. Thank God for these people! However, be aware that about 10% of the population move their lips in such a way that it is absolutely impossible to speechread even one word they say. Most people fall somewhere in between. When you do well speechreading one person, your family/friends/co-workers might think that you can do that with anyone. This is just not true.

Another factor to consider is that we are not all created equal in our ability to speechread. I have found that some people just do not seem to be able to speechread at all. Studies show that only 23% of hard of hearing people become effective speechreaders. That means that a whopping 77% need to use other means of coping along with using speechreading.

It is interesting (but not fair) that women on the average are much better speechreaders than men. This is just the way it is. We men have to struggle much more than the fairer sex, yet it is men that lose their hearing sooner and more severely than women. I am one of the best male speechreaders I know, but there are women that make me look like I was still in kindergarten in speechreading.

A downside of speechreading, and one that is not obvious, is that it is very tiring, especially with someone who is hard to speechread in the first place. Fatigue is the constant companion of most hard of hearing people whether they realise it or not. Speechreading takes enormous concentration. We have to work very hard to understand what is being said. We must follow every lip movement, every facial expression, every gesture, to try to find meaning in what you are saying. We cannot relax our eyes for even a moment and have a nice easy conversation like people with normal hearing can.

Speechreading is not merely a matter of just watching speech movements, but includes considerable mental effort in making sense from an incompletely perceived message. In fact, I’ve heard our brains have to work five times as hard to understand speech as do those of people with normal hearing. In the course of a day, our brains have done as much mental gymnastics as a person with normal hearing does in a whole week! No wonder we get tired so fast!

Another downside of speechreading is that we spend so much of our time just trying to understand the words the person is saying that we can easily miss the meaning they are trying to communicate.

In spite of its many limitations, speechreading is an incredible gift to those of us who are hard of hearing.
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07-26-2012 11:02 PM  8 years ago
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I will take the word from the people at the Center for Hearing Loss over your word Dennis.
Fair enough.

However, with 40 years of practical knowledge and experience, I disagree.

A good speech reader can hold a conversation all day with you and get most if not all of what you are saying. Its not easy. Its challenging and takes concentration. No doubt about that.

The Obummer's wife said what she is accused of saying. Period.

Besides, I can find as many articles on accurate speech reading as you can on inaccurate speech reading. They are out there.

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07-26-2012 11:38 PM  8 years ago
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geezzz..... do we not remember her forever speach that she was proud to be an American for the first time in her life because we elected her despot husband??? She's more of a crime than obummer.
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