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06-11-2012 12:03 AM  6 years agoPost 21
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Here's a detailed account of the Houla massacre according to Russian intelligence. I suppose those who are there would be most likely to know what's going on, and Russia of course are their allies and even have a naval base there.
Given that the West is never wrong, it is unlikely it will acknowledge its errors over the Houla massacre. What matters, however, is not whether or not it will rectify the false image portrayed by its propaganda on Syria, but the way in which the balance of power between NATO and SCO is changing. For the Houla affair shows that the West is incapable of knowing the situation on the ground, whereas Russian military intelligence is privy to exactly what is happening.

http://www.voltairenet.org/The-Houla-affair-highlights
A host of eye-witnesses also claim the 'rebels' were responsible, according to this article:

http://www.jeremyrhammond.com/2012/...houla-massacre/

...and the German press is now saying the same:
[A]ccording to a new report in Germany’s leading daily, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ), the Houla massacre was in fact committed by anti-Assad Sunni militants, and the bulk of the victims were member of the Alawi and Shia minorities, which have been largely supportive of Assad. For its account of the massacre, the report cites opponents of Assad, who, however, declined to have their names appear in print out of fear of reprisals from armed opposition groups.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/sy...houla-massacre/
So doesn't anyone from the US or UK mainstream media speak German?

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06-11-2012 03:11 AM  6 years agoPost 22
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Typical Dusty ::::::::: Your proven - ????
Just why are you Living ?? in a Free Society as a Exile ?? Let's hope a few go back and re- read your perspective

Just Enough Half Truth - seeded with enough falsehood to lead some one with out a perceptive view from the reality & actuality of what IS occurring..

Why would anyone - MEN : Destroy Their Own: Practice Death, and Destroy Live's -- whom ??? the lives of children -- is part of their Own culture?? ?? Regardless of Age - Sex ? The Elderly - The Women -The Young Boy's - THE Children.

Those that are doing it - have absolutely no ownership -------- SAVAGE

They are not! : The Others-- ARE whose Home land it is not-

What method's can they " Proxies " use to cover their atrocities ??
But what is taught & practiced to such a lousy art ? Falsification for Exit, Reason or Excuse's.

Maybe comprehend those that fight and die for Freedom, Liberty, Independence and Autonomy ?? & pray for the cultures of those that do it for others - who are helpless: Usually a Christian Culture :

Hard for you to comprehend ? It is actually a Tithe - and doing it In a land and Civilization that the culture is only known for death ,suffrage, and pestilence. For Centuries ------ Why ???? to stop the savage behavior.

One look at the new : Crisp - Never washed - fresh Uniforms with new head gear / Complete with hard ware and badges and New patent plastic leather Chinese boots say's ALOT Then to see the new sheet steel stamped Soviet weapons say's more. Whom is inside the Uniform 'S ???

Sick to see them standing around laughing In New Uniforms -- Killing a young un armed & bound Native FSA patriot in civilian cloths, using a hole / a shovel / and dirt. Making sure they get it recorded for the .net. For terror.

Hard to comprehend Dusty - but viewing that type of behavior - and the suffrage it is bringing to the populace will only give them confidence to obtain complete INDEPENDENCE ! and Liberty from those keeping it from them.

They are Learning to Hunt : and it's a long way's home.

Some thing that is EARNED :

If the Boot come off their Neck :

Seem's their's only one more Dictatorship nation to Go !!!!!

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06-11-2012 12:16 PM  6 years agoPost 23
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Still, I think diplomacy is preferable to killing and the Russian and Chinese solution is more in the interests of ordinary Syrians than our governments' solution of supporting violence.

Really??? China, and escecially, Russia, have only ONE interest in the region. To keep the conflict going so they can continue to sell arms. I've yet to see either an army or a rebel, carry an M-16/M4 into a fire fight.

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06-11-2012 05:50 PM  6 years agoPost 24
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Why would anyone - MEN : Destroy Their Own: Practice Death, and Destroy Live's -- whom ??? the lives of children -- is part of their Own culture?? ?? Regardless of Age - Sex ? The Elderly - The Women -The Young Boy's - THE Children.
Because that's what terrorists do.
They are not! : The Others-- ARE whose Home land it is not-
I'm still not entirely sure who you are referring to, and where you think their homeland is. Are you unable to answer the question?
Seem's their's only one more Dictatorship nation to Go !!!!!
Several nations are ruled by dictatorships.

Your post demonstrates that you don't really have much of a clue what you're talking about. If you could try to type in plain English instead of riddles, it might be easier to ascertain what you're trying to say.

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06-11-2012 05:53 PM  6 years agoPost 25
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Really??? China, and escecially, Russia, have only ONE interest in the region. To keep the conflict going so they can continue to sell arms.
If the conflict escalates to the point where Assad is overthrown and a new regime is installed which is friendly towards the west, Russia won't be selling any more weapons to Syria. If the conflict ends and the Assad regime stays, Russia will continue to sell weapons to them. So if weapons sales is their only interest, then it's also in their interests for the conflict to end.

In any case, I believe that Russia has more than one interest in Syria. It's not just about weapons sales. There's their naval base, and the fact that the Assad regime are their allies.

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06-11-2012 06:53 PM  6 years agoPost 26
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Putin is in China meeting the Chinese and look like standing together as allies as the Chinese are becoming increasingly concerned about the U.S aims in Asia.Syria and Iran were also on the agenda.China and Russia together would be pretty awesome.Ask a Korean war Veteran.

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06-12-2012 05:48 PM  6 years agoPost 27
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NO - Problem : This Time - Is Different
China and Russia together would be pretty awesome.Ask a Korean war Veteran
This is beyond their comprehension and they are PUZZLED.

Never dealt with Round Eye's on their turf.

This time : They are very aware of a Crazy Hebrew over the hill to the East.

gO'S BY THE nICK nAME OF jOSH

HIS NAME IS JOSHUA !!!!

Before they get too Stupid : They Better Study UP

PS.

Can you imagine the crazy translation skill's and interpretation needed on a battle field ?? Chinese to Russian and Russian to Chinese Then the OTHER : Mixed Dialect !!!!

Just thinking about it - is hilarious

Worth a ticket to admission

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06-12-2012 06:17 PM  6 years agoPost 28
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You cannot believe that we are so superior to the Chinese and Russians that they are confused We thought in the second world war that the Japanese soldiers were a joke till they kicked are butts out of fortress Singapore.Only an absolute fool underestimates their opponents.The Chinese and Russians have been around for many thousands of years and no doubt will be for some time to come Pigeon holing a race in such a way is a delusional trait.

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06-12-2012 06:32 PM  6 years agoPost 29
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Got a Point

But :::

Chinese cannot feed themselves

They do not like sand ::
No Water -- TOO =oooo HOT !
- Rice or Fish or Chicken - They like to garden

Russian's Lot's of floating and flying Rust with spinning rivet's

After their " Afa - gana- stain" they determined their was n0 -fun in that at all " What was in it for us ?? " syndrom or WADA WE GET ??

SAND ???? a whole new meaning too : Go Pound Sand :

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06-12-2012 06:40 PM  6 years agoPost 30
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Russia pulled their weight in World War 2,look at the numbers,a heavier price than many others.

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06-12-2012 06:56 PM  6 years agoPost 31
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true. A war fought on either of their lands will be a huge loss, though we may inflict more casualties. A war fought here??? Different story. Neither country has the experience to fight a war on another continent, let alone get their troops moved here. For us, it's second nature...unfortunately.

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06-12-2012 07:05 PM  6 years agoPost 32
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The sheer numbers of Chinese alone is hard to comprehend,i think they are way to smart to fight a war with weapons when they have been fighting a very successful economic battle,look how much they have done in the past 20-30 years.They will keep just plugging away.I will never understand why folks could not see what the result of all this outsourcing would lead to.I think the Chinese have been doing far more clever thinking than folks in the west give them credit for.Dumb they aint

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06-12-2012 08:02 PM  6 years agoPost 33
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let's not forget history. China has never really attacked anybody. Certainly not in recent centuries. Same with the Russkies. Eastern Europe after WWII doesn't count. That was the spoils of war for getting rid of Hitler.

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06-12-2012 10:27 PM  6 years agoPost 34
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Thats true,just as well really,might end up in a hand to hand with one of Bruce Lee,s relatives

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06-13-2012 02:42 AM  6 years agoPost 35
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This E'l Work : Just ask them if they want it ???

In Advance : of the Next meeting
Ask the Chinese Ambassador and Chinese National Republic Council if they would like to have it !

They need the room for population growth, and they need the area to raise food crop.

Let them husband the complete area, with free will, and complete autonomy.

THey get ALL of Pakistan, All of Afghanistan ! and every square inch of IRAN. Syria will fix it self and become docile.

If any one can grow food their they can ! They can grow it in milk jug's and in old tire's ! They might even get it green !

Next United Nation's Meeting : If they say Yes :

Laugh all the way out :: You Got it

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06-13-2012 08:55 AM  6 years agoPost 36
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Yep, let someone else have a go,they can,t make it any worse,thats for sure

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06-13-2012 10:52 AM  6 years agoPost 37
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Do me a favour,every time there is another atrocity in Syria,look up deaths in Iraq for the same month in 2012.See intervention,invasion does not work,a british diplomatic convoy was targetted in Libya last week,see, so grateful for the support of the U.N.

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06-13-2012 01:36 PM  6 years agoPost 38
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gatuity??? From those people??? NEver!!! What's the very first thing they do when we get rid of Sadaam??? Split into 2 and start killing each other at a rate WAAAAYYY faster than Sadaam ever did. And though things are getting a tad better there, look for them to start getting worse in the very near future. It's in their blood. It's WHO they are.
Todays project for me: investigate the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite. There can't be much. The color of Mohammad's turbin??

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06-13-2012 07:10 PM  6 years agoPost 39
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gatuity??? From those people??? NEver!!! What's the very first thing they do when we get rid of Sadaam??? Split into 2 and start killing each other at a rate WAAAAYYY faster than Sadaam ever did. And though things are getting a tad better there, look for them to start getting worse in the very near future. It's in their blood. It's WHO they are.
South Africa also has a very high homicide rate, and most of them are Christians. Is it in their blood too? In fact, the US has a very high homicide rate in comparison to other developed countries, perhaps it's in your blood too.

I don't believe it has anything to do with blood, but everything to do with society. The societies that people live in is what shapes them. I don't think we can imagine what it might be like to grow up in a society that's ruled by a foreign military force, but I think we are seeing how that shapes people in Iraq and Afghanistan etc, as we saw in Afghanistan in the 1980s when it was occupied by the Soviets.

Here's what Robert Fisk, the Independent's middle east correspondent who lives in Beirut, says:
One of the things that happened here in Lebanon, which is where we now are and you can see behind me the Lebanese parliament building and the seat of the of the Lebanese presidency - one of the things happened here is that during the civil war between 1975 and 1990 in which 200 - 150,000 minimum people died, was that many of the Lebanese sent their children, their sons and their daughters, abroad to Europe, to Canada, Australia, America, to be educated and they came back and did not want to live in a state of sectarianism.

And one of the reasons why the "civil war" has not spread across from Syria into Lebanon is because the young people of Lebanon did not want to live in a sectarian society and told their parents they did not want to live in this society.

And as one says in Ireland, "Fair doos to them," you know, they were right. And I think that this is a more educated, more diplomatic - I use this in the nicest, non-Western sense of the word - society which has realised that you can't and you must not run your country according to the maximum, the major religion, the majority Shiite, Muslim, Alawite, Druze, whatever in the country, and I think that's one reason why Lebanon has not actually become part of the Syrian war.

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/cont...12/s3515700.htm
Todays project for me: investigate the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite. There can't be much. The color of Mohammad's turbin??
Probably about the same amount of difference as there is between a catholic and a protestant.

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06-13-2012 07:34 PM  6 years agoPost 40
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OK I get It

If Your Dad was a KING -or a Dictator

Then Give your Kid who was a Optometrist The Country !
So He can run -it - and Dictate to It as He is Told

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