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06-03-2012 06:14 AM  6 years agoPost 21
GetToDaChopper

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is it solid copper with fluid flowing threw it or is it flexible strands of copper with electrons flowing threw it, if it's the last one then the only dif between large and small is the size of the iron !

but mike your right to each his own and people need to deside for themselfs, the only thing i'll add to that is people please do your own research on the matter !

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06-03-2012 06:16 AM  6 years agoPost 22
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When I torch the connector with the solder in it then stick the wire in that burning hot solder right as I move the torch,the wire sucks the solder up under the rubber covering.So yeah,it covers EVERY strand of wire..I cut off a bunch of connectors when I sold my 700E and you can see every wire covered in solder,works better than my iron thats been sitting inthe tool box for a LONG time..Don't knock something you haven't tried ..Only way that wire will come out is to reheat with the torch..
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I don't use a micro torch and a torch is also 100X faster .Bet you can make the whole connector cherry red with a iron .Yeah,torch works better ..

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06-03-2012 06:24 AM  6 years agoPost 23
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i've done it every way humanly possible my man and with most sizes you can imagine so i believe i'm more than qualified to knock it but i'm done now, again i say people do your own reasearch to find out which is best !

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06-03-2012 06:26 AM  6 years agoPost 24
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Bet you can make the whole connector cherry red with a iron
what are you talking about ??? not with ANY iron i've ever seen and i've used a 100 amp hot spot but thats not a true iron, it's closer to a welder and if it was used on rc connectors you would be right there !!!

and you say "cherry red" like it's a good thing ?!?!? wow.....

you want to try something hard, try soldering a 12 gage multi strand copper wire to a copper bar WITHOUT turning the wire into a solder bar then we'll talk, but i will tell one one thing, it's not done with a torch.....
Only way that wire will come out is to reheat with the torch
MY soldering iron would have it out in a heart beat !

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06-03-2012 06:45 AM  6 years agoPost 25
unclejane

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well we got to remember too that Mike Fortin is strong with the dark side of the force and just has heli and other powers that we dont, probably including mad skillz with a torch... so he can probably out solder us by a mile no matter what we use lol....

Last time I tried to do an EC5 with a torch, tho, I almost started a fire in my apt lol... so I stick with my Weller.

But I've seen it done with small butane torches..

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06-03-2012 07:00 AM  6 years agoPost 26
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I know i said i was done but.....

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I could go on, and on, and on, please show me just one using a torch....

i think i've made my point....

now i'm done.....

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06-03-2012 12:27 PM  6 years agoPost 27
Ronald Thomas

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I personally do not trust a torch for soldering. I like to see the solder wick and flow so I know for certain it is penetrating the entire wire. Plus a hot iron will heat the wiring and flow solder in the area you want only so the job is done quickly and no extra heat travels up the wiring possible damaging other solder connections in batteries and electronics. I would have to see the torch method in person......Ron

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06-03-2012 12:40 PM  6 years agoPost 28
GScott

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Ron,

Where do you get the solder with flux. I haven't had any luck finding it in the past.

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06-03-2012 12:59 PM  6 years agoPost 29
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06-03-2012 04:20 PM  6 years agoPost 30
S Crutchfield

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Whether you use a soldering iron or torch is irrelevant. The secret to a good solder joint is a quick tranfer of heat and a well tinned connection. Cheap soldering irons are the kiss of death and the main reason for cold joints. That is why most people turn to torches,they put out more heat than cheap soldering irons.
When you use a cheap iron,three things happen,you have to stay on the joint too long, solder wicks too far up the wire, and you burn the insulation.
If you can't spend $150 on a good soldering station,then a pencel torch may be your best option.

I also think it is important to secure both ends,wire and connector, with some sort of helping hands or clamps. Any movement while the joint is cooling with produce microscopic cracks in the solder, degrading it's ability to carry electrical current.

Also when using a soldering iron,always apply the solder to the tip of the iron,not to the wire. The actual contact area of the naked tip to connector is tiny. By placing the solder on the tip, it increases the contact area,and will tranfer the heat much quicker. Give it a try!

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06-03-2012 04:55 PM  6 years agoPost 31
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I would just like to take a moment and apologies to mike for so adamantly disagreeing with mike on the subject of soldering iron vs using a torch, is just that this is a subject i feel very strongly about.

I'd also like to say that when it come to the hobby of r/c helis that mike is almost certainly more accomplished at most aspects of this hobby, in fact if i had to compair my flying skills to mikes i would liken it to me as a student pilot in a cessna 152 and mike as a veteran fighter pilot, i also have little doubt that mike has built more R/C helis than i has ever laid eyes on.

I know for a fact that's mike method of using a torch can be done with good results it just that it requires someone with a very high degree of skill and expereince with a mini torch to pull it off correctly which to be frank most people just don't have and with someone of lesser experience i can see the potential of a disastrous outcome when using a torch.

i would easily point people in mike direction who have any questions relating to flying or building R/C helis of any size !

so mike i'm sorry for strongly disagreeing with you on this subject and i hope there are no hard feeling.......

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06-03-2012 05:00 PM  6 years agoPost 32
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I got my solder at Mouser, IIRC. I already had my soldering station because I used to do a lot of electronics soldering, building kits and so on. To my surprise, even though it's intended for very small jobs (I could probably do SMT soldering with the right tip in it), it has enough power to do hefy jobs like soldering EC5's. So I'm like, screw it, I'll just use this thing lol.....

But a good electronics solder like the Kester "44" is really good for electrical connections. Like I said you can get it at Mouser or any of the other online electronic supply places...

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06-03-2012 05:06 PM  6 years agoPost 33
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Whether you use a soldering iron or torch is irrelevant
i'm sorry but it IS highly relevant for so many reasons, and a few i have already pointed out !!!

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06-03-2012 05:13 PM  6 years agoPost 34
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Go get 'em, Chopper... and yes remember Mike is strong with the Dark Side, so be careful lol...

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06-03-2012 05:22 PM  6 years agoPost 35
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Thanks guys. It's all good.

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Use what works best for you.

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06-03-2012 05:47 PM  6 years agoPost 36
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Y'all have to understand where Mike's coming from...a torch is SOP for him. It works on engines and soldering bullet connectors, gitterdone.

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06-03-2012 05:51 PM  6 years agoPost 37
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Y'all have to understand where Mike's coming from...a torch is SOP for him. It works on engines and soldering bullet connectors, gitterdone.
and for others it causes explosions, burns houses down, frys heli parts, causes third degree burns ! gitterastayinthehospital ! lol
and yes remember Mike is strong with the Dark Side, so be careful lol
i'm ready master yoda..... lol

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06-03-2012 05:55 PM  6 years agoPost 38
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GetToDaChopper

i think i've made my point....

now i'm done.....
The only point you made was showing everyone how good you can argue with others about something you NEVER used ..Thats smart,give advice on something you don't use .When you try it yourself,then argue with people so your not giving bad advice.I'll never understand why someone with no experience will make pages of post arguing with people thats been doing something for years ...
My wires soak up the solder like droping a paper towl on water and covers every single strand of wire..
My point of the connector geting cherry red was saying you can get it as hot as you want unlike a iron.Wasn't saying do that,just givin a example..
I pulled the rubber back on the red wire showing how far up the solder soaks it (can see the same with the black wire where I pushed it down) and the solder in the connector is perfect like always .
Solder the way you want but don't tell people that does it this way its wrong.

Only time I use a iron is soldering connectors like deans,but its torch for all bullets..

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06-03-2012 06:01 PM  6 years agoPost 39
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The only point you made was showing everyone how good you can argue with others about something you NEVER used
how in the world did you not see that I HAVE in every way conceivably possible in fact !!!

look don't take my advice or the advice of anyone else in this thread and just contact ANY r/c battery, r/c wire, or r/c connector manufacturer and ask them if you should use a torch or a soldering iron and i guarantee you that NONE of them (not even one) will recommend using a torch !!!

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06-03-2012 06:11 PM  6 years agoPost 40
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Keep up the good work,its helping your stats but can't say the same for people interested in this thread..The pic clearly shows how wrong you are so your more than welcome to keep flooding this topic.
look don't take my advice or the advice of anyone else in this thread and just contact ANY r/c battery, r/c wire, or r/c connector manufacturer and ask them if you should use a torch or a soldering iron and i guarantee you that NONE of them (not even one) will recommend using a torch !!!
They would loose LOTS of sales by telling people a torch works,kinda gotta use your head sometimes..

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