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05-31-2012 06:40 PM  6 years agoPost 1
rilopez825

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Do you guys think that with all these new devices (crutches) is going to ruin 3D flight as we know it?

Currently we have real pilots that have sweat it out to get where they are today. These new devices will make it easier to learn yes but will it take the joy out of getting there as we did.
whats your opinion on these devices.
Also how popular do you think these will get?

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05-31-2012 06:44 PM  6 years agoPost 2
Darren Lee

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I personally find no joy from crashing.

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05-31-2012 06:47 PM  6 years agoPost 3
CX1

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these new devices will help retain new hobbiest as they won't get discouraged by high repair costs.
It will help noobs learn faster.

In the end 3D competions will remain the same as these new devices aren't allowed.

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05-31-2012 06:47 PM  6 years agoPost 4
127.0.0.1

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I don't think there's any chance of ruining 3D.

If I'm a manufacturer who make my money of off selling parts after a crash, I might be a little worried though. Less crashes = less income from buying replacement parts. That will probably translate into more expensive kit costs.

Just speculation though.
Also how popular do you think these will get?
I think that will largely depend on price. If it's affordable, and a newb sees its benefits, they should be fairly popular. If they're too much a pain to set up (more than a newb wants to deal with) I'd say they fall by the way side...

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05-31-2012 06:59 PM  6 years agoPost 5
Stephen Born

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Do you guys think that with all these new devices (crutches)
There is not a lot of these (crutches) on the market. One particular system, the HeliCommand HC3-SX has selectable modes which allows for superb stabilization or regular FBL system. This can all be changed by a click of a switch.

HeliCommand users do not refer to it as a (crutch). Rather, the term "Captain Rescue" is more appropriate.

This unit has saved me thousands.

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05-31-2012 07:43 PM  6 years agoPost 6
Ace Dude

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Raise your hand if you don't use a gyro.

  

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05-31-2012 07:45 PM  6 years agoPost 7
fastflyer20

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The electronics requires a correct mechanically functioning heli, break a link or rod, kill a servo, snap a belt, etc and you may still hit the ground.

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05-31-2012 07:58 PM  6 years agoPost 8
GetToDaChopper

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going to ruin 3D flight as we know it?
No of corse not and anybody that says it will doesn't know what there talking about !
Raise your hand if you don't use a gyro.
how can you see if my hand is raised, are you watching me ?!? lol

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05-31-2012 08:00 PM  6 years agoPost 9
bart2546

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I think generally all will be fine. You may have the group of people who will always use it but I think most people will do as previously mentioned with the HeliCommand. They may use it as a tool to help while they get up to speed and skill and then they will want to see their skills work without it. I think the primary feature, which is good either way, is bailing out if you screw up your move.

You can be a total pro and still screw something up. These things are not really doing the flying as far as 3D tricks go, it's just to get it back to square one if you loose sight or control of it. This would be a good thing. You still end up needing talent and time to learn how to successfully pull off 3D.

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05-31-2012 08:08 PM  6 years agoPost 10
fenderstrat

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people problably thought the same thing about tail gyros then FBL.

I think there is a difference between an "anti crash" device and computer controled.I would imagine that eventually it will be possible to program in manuvers and have the heli perform them.As in piro flip,then hurricane then tic toc and so on.This will definately affect the learning curve if you could still call it that.

But as for the new "hard deck" device I dont see it doing much other than reducing crashes, which is never a bad thing..except if you are making the parts

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05-31-2012 08:40 PM  6 years agoPost 11
Rick_H

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"I would imagine that eventually it will be possible to program in manuvers and have the heli perform them"

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2008/...ter-091008.html

Watch at YouTube

Already here,

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05-31-2012 08:52 PM  6 years agoPost 12
alvinrc

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Yep, gyros had naysayers as well.

Things like unfair, not needed, unnecessary complication, and they are for girlie pilots.

Technology marches on and will be used if it makes flying helicopters easier.
After all, we even accepted drive up windows at banks and fast food outlets.
For you youngsters, yep, you used to actually have to go inside all places to do business and I remember when they had signs on the windows advertizing "Cool Air Inside".

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05-31-2012 08:56 PM  6 years agoPost 13
fenderstrat

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you cant use the drive thru cause "they f you at the drive thru"

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05-31-2012 09:08 PM  6 years agoPost 14
RaptorRob

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I think it is going to take a little out of the hobby. part of what kept me in this hobby is how hard it is and the penalty of screwing up.... i started out with a small electric when that got boring i moved to nitro and now im doing larger electrics and a gasser... if the fear of crashing was gone i wouldnt do it anymore its an adrenalin rush that i cant get anymore from risk taking that i used to in my youth..... just my opinion..

no babe i swear i sold my other heli to buy this one :)

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05-31-2012 09:18 PM  6 years agoPost 15
rilopez825

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you guys are right, signs of time, get with it or go about your marry way. but I like it how it is currently is to learn to fly ,IMO.
you grab a coax then a nearly crash proof mcpx then the 450 or what ever you have.

Don't get me wrong I don't like crashing but its part of the hobby. yes stuff will break but if you don't get passed that part of the hobby your never going to get over it. your going to be a nervous pilot always.

Richard

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05-31-2012 09:22 PM  6 years agoPost 16
Dood

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No one cares what anyone is doing at the club level on saturday afternoons.
But I think you WILL see things written in competition rules that prohibit such a thing.

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05-31-2012 09:35 PM  6 years agoPost 17
rilopez825

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Raptor Rob
exactly this isn't the hobby for everyone. Thats exactly why I fly heli's other wise I would fly planks. There is a reason why there is more plankers than Heli pilots. It took me a week to learn to fly a plank. Then I just got bored of it. Heli's do and will always continue to challenge the pilot. Thats what makes these machine's incredible.

Dood, no way they would allow this at the competitions. otherwise the pilots could pull up a chair next to the judges.

Richard

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05-31-2012 10:33 PM  6 years agoPost 18
Gregor99

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Currently we have real pilots that have sweat it out to get where they are today.
I think those that learned without the aid of a simulator would say that teaching aids that accerate growth are already here and have been for years. Has this already ruined 3d? I think it only makes the rampup faster and cheaper. Once you get past learning how not to crash, you still have to be able to fly with precision, and creativity.

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05-31-2012 10:37 PM  6 years agoPost 19
USNAviationjay

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being that the new CP2 HD module only works with CP2 and above 50 feet..

it's pretty pointless.

who the hell flies far enough above 50 feet for it to be useful?
if I mess up at 50 feet I don't need a device to self right the heli that's more than enough altitude to correct it myself.
Not to mention the multiple sensor mounting mess it requires installed on your heli as well as not being able to use anything but external RX's

all deal breakers for me.

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05-31-2012 10:51 PM  6 years agoPost 20
Jeff polisena

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I feel if your smart enough to use or make a device that makes flights seamless between pilot or device then your one up on me and good for you . I believe that the whole fun to flying helis is that you can make heli perform as you want with control and that is satisfying ,so making a device to do the same is satisfying to the inventor. Doesent keep me from still flying by the seat of my pants

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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