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06-06-2012 07:57 PM  6 years agoPost 81
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But, where in the rule book of raising children does it say "parents should not introduce their children to the bible"?
It certainly doesn't. The point I'm making is that it's irrational to claim "decision equality" after someone has spent an entire lifetime believing things introduced to him an an age considered "to young to know the difference"

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06-06-2012 08:12 PM  6 years agoPost 82
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It certainly doesn't. The point I'm making is that it's irrational to claim "decision equality" after someone has spent an entire lifetime believing things introduced to him an an age considered "to young to know the difference"
I would just refer you back to my original statement that you yourself quoted.

But, I don't think you are getting it.

Parents will do the best they can to teach their children to make the right choices based on their own values.
"decision equality" ????????
Looks like you just made that up.

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06-06-2012 08:21 PM  6 years agoPost 83
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Just to note. I have read the bible, I'm not making up the information I post out of thin air. GreyEagle your writing is very incoherent and it makes it difficult to understand what your points are.

Somehow I knew you would resort to blindly quoting the bible.

You can go on believing in your god that has the worst psychological human traits imaginable and I'll go on trying to fathom why any sane educated person (that's making an assumption that maybe I shouldn't be making here) would wish to do so.

I have yet to see any rational response to the points raised in my earlier post. The Judeo-Christian god is portrayed in the bible as a raving mad, blood-thirsty, vengeful, insecure, lunatic and you can't argue or deny that point, read your bible and take off the rose colored glasses and put down the Kool-aid while doing so.

To the point of introducing children to the cult of Christianity, the earlier their hooked the more likely the programming will take hold throughout adulthood. I do think religion should be taught in school. All religions, so they could ALL be seen for what they are archaic myths for trying to understand the world that the originators lived in at the time. The Nordic gods were given up, the Greek gods were given up, the Roman gods were given up, and again the list goes on. They are all myths. Christians will go on thinking their myth is somehow special, and that is outright egotistical. They all think they are special and that's why they are saved and others are not.

GreyEagle a rational response to anyone on this forum might add to the thread but incoherent raving and quoting your archaic documents add nothing to the thread.

I really enjoy a constructive discussion on this topic but that doesn't seem possible with this audience.

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06-06-2012 08:24 PM  6 years agoPost 84
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"decision equality" ????????

Looks like you just made that up.
"Decision equality" are the words I used to try to describe how one could expect an unbiased decision/answer, after introducing bias into a situation/question.

You're saying as a parent, you are allowed to introduce your child to religion, and then somehow expect that child to "make the right choices based on their own values."

I'm saying that your child has a predisposition to believe the Bible because it was introduced to him/her at an age "to young to know the difference", and it's irrational to expect an unbiased decision.

Make better sense?

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06-06-2012 08:25 PM  6 years agoPost 85
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To the point of introducing children to the cult of Christianity, the earlier their hooked the more likely the programming will take hold throughout adulthood. I do think religion should be taught in school. All religions, so they could
Yes, and thats just the way it is.
I really enjoy a constructive discussion on this topic but that doesn't seem possible with this audience.
Oh really ??

Is that a fact?:
The Judeo-Christian god is portrayed in the bible as a raving mad, blood-thirsty, vengeful, insecure, lunatic and you can't argue or deny that point, read your bible and take off the rose colored glasses and put down the Kool-aid while doing so.
And YOU expect a "Rational Discussion" ????

Please, give us a break.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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06-06-2012 08:38 PM  6 years agoPost 86
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Dennis
You are a radical religious nutjob promoting genocide of an entire group pf people because your bible tells you so, same as a radical muslim.
The king james 1st edition liviticus 20:13
The king james 2nd edition liviticus 20:13 roman 1:26-28
The holly bible liviticus 20:13 roman 1:26-28
The maka bee bible liviticus
The new world translation all clearly state God will for these
Gay's people. So dont tell me i preached genocide you little atheist

Liviticust 20:13} a man who lay with another man like he lay down
with a woman he should be cut off from his houseold he must be put to death,

Roman 1:24 Therefore God in keeping with the disire of there heart
he gave them up for there uncleanness.

Roman 1:26 That is why God game them up in disgraceful sexual appetites for both their female changed the natural use of themself into one contraray to nature.

Roman 1:27 un like wise even the male left the natural use the female and become violently inflamed in there lust toward one another males with males working in themselves the full recompense which was due for their error

see for youself you little athiest God have no other desire for them but death,

So you are blaming me for the word of GOd

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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06-06-2012 08:46 PM  6 years agoPost 87
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So you are blaming me for the word of GOd
Nope.

But, I am blaming you for acting like a:

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06-06-2012 08:47 PM  6 years agoPost 88
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Dennis,

Yeah, it's a fact I do enjoy discussion. I probably shouldn't have lumped everyone in this audience into the same category when it comes to discussion in this thread, but there are a couple of posters who are completely incoherent in their rants/posts.

The information I posted regarding the traits of the Judeo-Christian is accurate and can't be denied IF someone has read the old testament of the bible. Please don't use the old fall-back apologetic stating 'that was the old testament' and Jesus came and brought the new covenant. God is supposed to ever constant and never changing (kind of redundant I know).

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06-06-2012 08:56 PM  6 years agoPost 89
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Yeah, it's a fact I do enjoy discussion. I probably shouldn't have lumped everyone in this audience into the same category when it comes to discussion in this thread, but there are a couple of posters who are completely incoherent in their rants/posts.
I only see one:

Escobar the dipsh#t.
The information I posted regarding the traits of the Judeo-Christian is accurate and can't be denied IF someone has read the old testament of the bible. Please don't use the old fall-back apologetic stating 'that was the old testament' and Jesus came and brought the new covenant. God is supposed to ever constant and never changing (kind of redundant I know).
If you wish to feel that way, then fine.

But, insulting others beleifs as though they are somehow ignorant or uneducated is foolish in my mind. There are many, many well educated and well rounded adults (even much more so than either myself or yourself) that have a firm belief in the bible and God. To make the assumption otherwise is foolish to those who know better. To do so makes you exactly what you accuse others of being. You turned the tables on yourself.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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06-06-2012 08:57 PM  6 years agoPost 90
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Dennis
I am a screw balls and you 're an atheist and you know it!
yes" you want to replace the laws of GOD with the constitutation
of the USA, This s' the reason why we are having so much problem right now.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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06-06-2012 09:00 PM  6 years agoPost 91
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I am a screw balls and you 're an atheist and you know it!
Yeah right. I would say God bless you.

But, I really wouldn't mean it.

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06-06-2012 09:01 PM  6 years agoPost 92
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Dennis brought in a Bugs Bunny prop, awesome.

Tea Parties are for little girls with imaginary friends

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06-06-2012 09:25 PM  6 years agoPost 93
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dennis aka old forts.
Yeah right. I would say God bless you.

But, I really wouldn't mean it.
You're right on target my man,faiths with no fellowship mean no goods thank you.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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06-06-2012 10:04 PM  6 years agoPost 94
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This IS : Over The handel bar's and into the Weed's
I have read the bible, I'm not making up the information I post out of thin air. GreyEagle your writing is very incoherent and it makes it difficult to understand what your points are.
The writing style is Very Intentional - Direct - and with Definite Purpose - It is a Teaching Style long abandon. !

In Other Word's " I Don't Git IT " paint me a picture

Anology : Why are their only pictures of food - in a Fast food restaurant and not description's or a menue without pictures ??? Because::: many or most have lost the ability of reading comprehension ! You Have !

Same reason that almost all instruction manual's are now pictures instead of descriptive, itemized, in order, procedure's, to completion. !!!!

It is to make you WORK - make you Think -to make you NOT - READ PAssivily

So when YOU claim you have read the Bible :: In Realty - You have NOT because you read it PASSIVELY : Re : Over the Handel bar's Into The Weed's !!! Without even a scratch !!! I Can PRove IT Too:

With THIS STATEMENT : Of Yours
The information I posted regarding the traits of the Judeo-Christian is accurate and can't be denied IF someone has read the old testament of the bible. { Please don't use the old fall-back apologetic stating 'that was the old testament'} and Jesus came and brought the new covenant.
Which is EVIDENCE you DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE - You where either CAST - or Passive - or have a Seared Conscience

Further Proof With This Statement of Yours :

Then: It wil be followed with SOlid Confirmation You are In The WEED's
GOD doe's not KNOCK !!! or ASk
The Judeo-Christian god is portrayed in the bible as a raving mad, blood-thirsty, vengeful, insecure, lunatic and you can't argue or deny that point, read your bible and take off the rose colored glasses and put down the Kool-aid while doing so

Here is your Solid Proof and Confirmation: It Is ONLY Found in the OLD Covenant : The OLD T : IS CLOSED !!!! and it is in the O.T. - PRIOR to the Arrival Guess WHO ???

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

THAT IS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT

Closed Don't play around with you hand in in the cookie's " O.T." and then just say your counting them
Pick up your bicycle : Ride around & Go Find it !!! Please finish what you find : Eat every cookie

Here's a O.T. Cookie See if you have reading comprehension and do not read it passively Please
Go Find it

Fear God, Keep Your Vows

5 Walk prudently when you go to the house of God; and draw near to hear rather than to give the sacrifice of fools, for they do not know that they do evil.

2 Do not be rash with your mouth,
And let not your heart utter anything hastily before God.
For God is in heaven, and you on earth;
Therefore let your words be few.
3 For a dream comes through much activity,
And a fool’s voice is known by his many words.

4 When you make a vow to God, do not delay to pay it;
For He has no pleasure in fools.
Pay what you have vowed—
5 Better not to vow than to vow and not pay.

6 Do not let your mouth cause your flesh to sin, nor say before the messenger of God that it was an error. Why should God be angry at your excuse[a] and destroy the work of your hands? 7 For in the multitude of dreams and many words there is also vanity. But fear God.

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06-07-2012 12:42 AM  6 years agoPost 95
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Looks like DOMA's days are truly numbered....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/..._n_1575807.html

CB

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06-07-2012 01:23 AM  6 years agoPost 96
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Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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06-07-2012 01:57 AM  6 years agoPost 97
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Just ::
let them build some Huge Rubber Idol 20 feet tall.

Use old rubber scuba suits, fin's, snorkel's, tin foil and a few bales of colored feathers.

Gather around and beat drums, chant, sing, and have some form of pagan ritual ringing bell's and lighting incense that is contractual law like what OB is doing.

Just Don't Call It Marriage

Maybe bring in a Didgeridoo Orchestra and broad cast it across the valley

Put it on Knob hill in San Francisco.

Turn This Up Loud : For the Full Pagen Effect !!

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...th-5HOQ&cad=rja

or

Watch at YouTube

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06-07-2012 12:13 PM  6 years agoPost 98
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Hide the kids, time for an adult scientific picture.

Take the Human vagina.

Note the PERFECT FIT of the Male's One Eyed Inflatable
Pocket Rocket.

THIS is the Design of God.

Pretty good?

No, Perfect.

ANY PERVERSION of HIS DESIGN is immoral and violates
TRUST in His Design and His Provision for us, whom He Loves.

What about THIS don't YOU Get?

Marriage is God's IDEA!

One Man, One Woman for LIFE.

.

God did not fashion our 'recreational' member to be
inserted into a waste canal.

I love gravity, it always keeps my feet planted when I fly!

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06-07-2012 12:20 PM  6 years agoPost 99
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And now, you gentlemen who are having coitus with anyone
other than the wife God gave you, are SINNING in the face
of God.

The wages of Sin is Death. Spiritual Death.

Then you say, "There is no God!"

That's RIGHT!

To YOU there is no God.

He left. He is dead to you and you are dead to HIM.

His Holiness will not stand where there is sin.

He CANNOT.

You're Screwed RIGHT?

Yes without hope?

BUT: Jesus DIED to Forgive ALL YOUR SINS!

God Offers NEW LIFE to the Repentant SINNER.

This is THE GOOD NEWS of the Gospel.

I love gravity, it always keeps my feet planted when I fly!

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06-07-2012 02:18 PM  6 years agoPost 100
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Dennis,

You seem to be the most rational Christian person in this thread and able to carry on dialogue.
But, insulting others beliefs as though they are somehow ignorant or uneducated is foolish in my mind. There are many, many well educated and well rounded adults (even much more so than either myself or yourself) that have a firm belief in the bible and God. To make the assumption otherwise is foolish to those who know better. To do so makes you exactly what you accuse others of being. You turned the tables on yourself.
I turned no tables on myself here. I know there are plenty of educated people who believe this stuff, many of whom are more well rounded and more intelligent than me (no question ). But their education and critical thinking skills seem to come to a screeching halt when it comes to their religion. I do not think people who believe in religion are stupid by any means and would never make such a statement. Religious belief isn't tied to inteligence but is is tied to ignorance, and I don't mean that in the negative sense i mean it in the sense of not knowing information. Most don't want to crack the cover when it comes to critically thinking about their religion as it poses a great threat to the emotional comfort it provides. Most don't bother to learn about other current and past religions, let alone about their own. What would make anyone think that the one religion they chose is the correct one out the possible thousands they could choose? It makes no sense to be so close minded. People cling to religion for various reasons and they aren't always simple ones. All of them are for emotional reasons when it comes to the root of it. Some long to see lost relatives and the wish for continued survival after death, as well as an explanation to things they think unexplainable (I don't know how it happened so I'll attribute it to magic).
The information I posted regarding the traits of the Judeo-Christian is accurate and can't be denied IF someone has read the old testament of the bible. Please don't use the old fall-back apologetic stating 'that was the old testament' and Jesus came and brought the new covenant. God is supposed to ever constant and never changing (kind of redundant I know).
If you wish to feel that way, then fine.
I don't feel that way, the stories are in the bible, I made up none of what I wrote.

I think its ok and even required to put someones beliefs up for examination. If someone said 'I had Wheaties for breakfast this morning and when I ate them they turned into the body and blood of Bruce Jenner' you would think they were absolutely crazy. But this is what the Catholic church tells it's followers every Sunday. I think its ok and at some times necessary to point out someones irrational beliefs. I try not to attack the person but attacking irrational beliefs is required at times.

Eagle,

I don't think you understand what the word 'passively' means. when I read the bible it was anything but passive. I contrasted and compared the differing stories of Jesus' life. I compared the differing elements of the creation stories. I read with horror all of the evil in the bible perpetrated on fellow humans in the name of god.

As I mentioned in my first post I figured you would write nothing of meaning but instead rant with your trademark incomprehensible gibberish and cut and paste bible verse off the web. Your cut and paste abilities are astounding. Your ability to carry on meaningful and thoughtful dialogue not so much. So your god is schizoid and figured out that he got it all wrong in the old testament and the only way to get it right was to send his son, who was born of a woman who was magically impregnated, to be beaten and slaughtered to show you how much he loved you? That seems kind of sick to me. Why couldn't an all powerful god come up with some better more humane method to convey his love to the human race. Obviously he's not a very creative thinker. You mentioned in your previous post that the bible was clearly written and easy to understand prose and not open for interpretation. If that's the case then why are there so many (100's if not 1000's) of Christian sects all holding completely differing and incompatible belief systems? Esco and Dennis don't believe in the same god, it's very obvious from their exchanges in this thread. It is all ONLY interpretation. If a god wanted to write a handbook on how humankind should behave, love him, and love their fellow man then he got it all wrong. Not one person has denied the evil, and psychopathic behavior requested by god of his Jewish followers in conquering, slaying, baby bashing, and raping of people who were already settled on land that didn't belong to the Jews. On the other hand historians have found no evidence for any Jewish conquering tribes. It was all conflation by the early Jews for the purpose of puffing their feathers to show how fearsome they were. So that too is a myth from the bible of myths.

Esco,

Your prejudice and hatred is the most evident of anyone on this thread. It seems to me you derive your hatred from the bible as you quote it over and over to justify your hatred. Much as the southern states used the bible to justify their hatred and enslaving practices of the blacks and much as the Muslim terrorist of 9/11 infamy used their holy Koran to kill thousnads.

I'm done here, not a lot of thought given to most of the posts in the thread. No thoughtful responses for the most part to anything written previously.

In the end we are all atheists some just believe in one less god than you. Oh, but wait, you chose the 'real' god...riiiiiiight.

How incredibly egotistical and self righteous of you. You must feel very special to be the chosen few.

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