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05-29-2012 03:14 PM  6 years agoPost 1
rudyy

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I watch Bert's SmackTalk video about the full piro flip. He demonstrated the flipping from right side up to upside down when the tail is facing towards the pilot and then from upside down back to right side up when the head is facing towards the pilot.

But I am thinking that actually the flipping can be started regardless of the tail's or head's position. In other words, the tail does not need to face towards the pilot when flipping from right side up to upside down but can be at any orientation provided that the heli is piroing flat parellel to the ground.

Am I correct?

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05-29-2012 03:36 PM  6 years agoPost 2
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Yes!

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05-29-2012 03:41 PM  6 years agoPost 3
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it doesnt matter. Theres so many ways to do it. if you doing a full flip per one rotation then you will end up like you said above if you doing a full piro inbetween half flips then it doesnt matter. Main thing is dont loose the postition of the heli during the manuever.

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05-29-2012 03:43 PM  6 years agoPost 4
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It is true, the heli is capable of being piro flipped regardless of orientation. The problem is that you have to time the cyclic stirring to match the rotation. So it is easier to track it if you start from a known position ie nose or tail in.

Bert is so good he can probably do it from any orientation he wants. But to simplify for teaching is probably why he presented it that way.

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05-29-2012 04:13 PM  6 years agoPost 5
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Changing the orientation of the flip (in a controlled circular manner) is how Curtis does a chaos

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05-29-2012 04:50 PM  6 years agoPost 6
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Thanks for the advice. I am now working on the inverted piro hovering... I think I am getting close to the full piroflip.

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05-30-2012 12:24 AM  6 years agoPost 7
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Just be patient...took me over a year to get it right!

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05-30-2012 02:01 AM  6 years agoPost 8
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I assuming that Bert just try to show the maneuver in the most easy position possible to learn how do it....like the hover....you can make it in any orientation but pretty much everybody learn to hover in one orientation them make any...

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06-04-2012 04:51 PM  6 years agoPost 9
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This manuever by far is the most time consuming one to be mastered. So many prerequisites that get to be nailed down first. It takes me very long time to get proficient with the right side up piro hovering and now I have to repeat the same thing with the upside down one. Once I get both the right side up and upside down piro hovering nailed down, then I have to put everything together for the non continuous full piro flip.

Having said that, I like the challenge though.

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06-04-2012 05:54 PM  6 years agoPost 10
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Rudy,

Do yourself a favor, right now start going both directions, don't favor one over the other. When I learned piroflips, my mistake was just learning to the left. It would have been better to do it both ways early on.

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06-04-2012 06:08 PM  6 years agoPost 11
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You mean piro hovering in both clockwise and counterclockwise?

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06-04-2012 06:11 PM  6 years agoPost 12
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That's what I mean as well as piroflipping in both directions.

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06-05-2012 12:56 AM  6 years agoPost 13
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I wish I did that right off the batt aswell. My left tail Manuvers are solid, but starting to try right tail feels like learning to fly all over again!

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06-05-2012 01:04 AM  6 years agoPost 14
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What the hay is piro hovering? Something more complex than just doing slow pirouettes while hovering?

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06-05-2012 01:43 AM  6 years agoPost 15
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What the hay is piro hovering? Something more complex than just doing slow pirouettes while hovering?
Yes, piroing continuously the heli at one spot.

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06-05-2012 04:46 PM  6 years agoPost 16
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Hoverng while slowly piro'ing in both directions.

Then flying circles or figure 8's while slowly hovering in both directions.

Both upright and inverted.

Sounds boring but it helps tremendously

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06-06-2012 07:36 PM  6 years agoPost 17
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Ouch.. I finally crashed my Trex500 yesterday after over 20 plus flights of practising the full piroflip and piro hovering. I am getting a bit more confident and doing it too low to the ground ... not enough room to save.

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06-22-2012 05:37 PM  6 years agoPost 18
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How can I make the heli stay at one spot during the full piro flip? Is it just the matter of practising?

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06-22-2012 06:01 PM  6 years agoPost 19
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Correct! Full control of the piro flip takes TIME and lots of PRACTICE.
Took me about a year to get perfect and that was only with left piro...
Now the issue with right piro is at hand for me. Again looking for the perfect control that is important not just execution.

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06-22-2012 06:29 PM  6 years agoPost 20
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I figure out it is just the matter of time and practising.

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