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04-06-2012 11:50 PM  9 years ago
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CalmAir

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Thumb Assist??
I discovered something in my flying, that might help someone else as well. I started flying thumbs a couple of years ago, mainly because I didn't even now there was pinching. On forums, you often read it didn't matter how you held the transmitter. So, I just kept thumbing.

A couple of time however, I put on a strap and tried pinching on my sim. (Disaster!) and I gave up quickly.

Last month I decided to give it a go again, but this time I flew thumb throttle (as always) and thumbed the aileron, BUT, I brought up my index finger to assist aileron.

Very quickly, I started seeing smoother, more controlled flight. If it works for me, it might work for someone else. Happy Flying......
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04-07-2012 05:26 AM  9 years ago
wtupman

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my primary flying is with thumbs. when i feel that i need just a bit more control. i will bring my index fingers in and rest them on the front of the sticks. for me it gives me a bit of control feel with out actual pinching.DONT TRASH WHAT THE OTHER GUY IS FLYING OR FLYING WITH. AT LEAST HE IS FLYING!!!
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04-07-2012 05:32 AM  9 years ago
VKGT

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Pinching just doesn't work for me.. Tried it on the sim and twice at the field. Dunno
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04-07-2012 05:35 AM  9 years ago
wtupman

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what i am trying to enplane is not a pinch, but an assist using your index fingers as a crutch so to speak.DONT TRASH WHAT THE OTHER GUY IS FLYING OR FLYING WITH. AT LEAST HE IS FLYING!!!
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04-07-2012 05:37 AM  9 years ago
VKGT

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Oh, I was thinking it became a pinch at that point that you used your other finger to assist.
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04-07-2012 05:40 AM  9 years ago
spiderco

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I started out thumbs then pinch for more precise control and now the combo that OP describes. I was thinking about going back to all thumbs again for the range of motion.fly til its dry
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04-07-2012 05:42 AM  9 years ago
wtupman

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all that bringing my finger in dose is make me more aware of what is going on and makes things more precise.

much like swinging a bat or golf club with one hand and then swinging it with both hands.
DONT TRASH WHAT THE OTHER GUY IS FLYING OR FLYING WITH. AT LEAST HE IS FLYING!!!
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04-07-2012 05:45 AM  9 years ago
rudyy

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I think flying by thumb is better than pinching. Your brain will need to do more complex calculations to coordinate two fingers' movment than just one single thumb, which means there will be a delay in response.
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04-07-2012 05:49 AM  9 years ago
wtupman

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good point. that is why pinch or modified pinch slows things down for more precise flying.DONT TRASH WHAT THE OTHER GUY IS FLYING OR FLYING WITH. AT LEAST HE IS FLYING!!!
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04-07-2012 07:41 AM  9 years ago
CalmAir

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Wtupman is saying exactly what I am trying to describe. Pinching is not really what you are doing. It really is more of an assist with the index finger. Your thumbs are pretty much in the same position as usual, if you thumb from the top of the gimbels. But you are also using the index finger for a little more support and precision in stick movement. I'm not sure how this method correlates to stick banging, as I'm a sport flyer. For sport flying though I'm holding better lines and making better banks as well with this method.

Like most of us, always looking for improvement.
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04-07-2012 03:40 PM  9 years ago
JasonJ

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good point. that is why pinch or modified pinch slows things down for more precise flying.
It's not that as much as it is fine verses course motor function. The thumb by itself is not a very precise digit but when you combine it with a finger you achieve fine motor function. That fine motor function means you can move smaller and more precisely. This is why you generally see a good amount of pinchers not using expo and a good amount of thumbers using expo. Ultimately they are both good ways to use our transmitters, just is a matter or preference. The hybrid or modified pinch as described by the OP is another good way. By having the thumb on top with the index on the front of the stick you still get the stabilizing advantage of pinch and you get the quick full stick deflection of thumb. This is largely how I fly but I still consider it pinch.
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04-07-2012 04:23 PM  9 years ago
rudyy

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I think if I fly by pinching, I will have a hard time in hitting the throttle hold in case of emergency or to save a heli from a crash.
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04-07-2012 04:25 PM  9 years ago
VKGT

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Anybody use the oversize thumb gimbals? Because I thumb, I got the sharp stick ends for my 11x but I think the large ones would probably make it easier for the OP's assist method
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04-07-2012 04:28 PM  9 years ago
TMoore

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I discovered something in my flying, that might help someone else as well. I started flying thumbs a couple of years ago, mainly because I didn't even now there was pinching. On forums, you often read it didn't matter how you held the transmitter. So, I just kept thumbing.

A couple of time however, I put on a strap and tried pinching on my sim. (Disaster!) and I gave up quickly.

Last month I decided to give it a go again, but this time I flew thumb throttle (as always) and thumbed the aileron, BUT, I brought up my index finger to assist aileron.

Very quickly, I started seeing smoother, more controlled flight. If it works for me, it might work for someone else. Happy Flying......
You are a little late to the game....been doing this since the 70's. I didn't think it was unusual since I know a lot ofther folks that do it too.

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04-08-2012 02:48 AM  9 years ago
CalmAir

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Thanks TMOORE:
I'm sure that's true. Anyone who has been flying for a long time has most certainly developed a groove in the way they hold the transmitter.

But from a forum perspective, we have readers and flyers who are just starting out and aren't sure what to do. Post is meant for those who might profit by changing things up a little and trying some different things.

Not everyone started flying heli's in the 70's. Some are just now starting the game.
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04-08-2012 12:01 PM  9 years ago
Helicrazy4

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Would you say the red one and the purple would work better for the thumb flyer than the blue one?

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04-08-2012 12:16 PM  9 years ago
wrongler

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Hi Chuck, (CalmAir) Just like you I went to thumbs because I didn't know anything about pinch. I'm 100% thumb, Have tried full pinch and partial pinch, Just couldn't get use to it.
@ Helicrazy4 I like the red ones, I think I will order them and give them a try. Thanks, I have had my thumbs slip off a few times when flying when I was learning.
Bill Whittaker
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04-08-2012 12:46 PM  9 years ago
Helicrazy4

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wrongler
helidirect has them on sale 3.99 I got order me a pair to try out,
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04-11-2012 08:03 PM  9 years ago
jester4

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Been flying thumbs for years, and I tried those big flower looking ends and they felt worse for me. I went back to the sharp pointy ones.
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04-12-2012 02:37 AM  9 years ago
gologo

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All these years I have considered myself a pincher'. Never thought
a thing about it, just knew it was what felt right to me.

Well recently, I actually paid attention to how my fingers were
on the stick, and they are exactly how CalmAir and Wtupman describe!!
As mentioned , guess that is still a pinch, but never really knew I
was doing that........Now going to have to try TRUE 'pinch' on the
sim,can already tell it does not feel right at all.

Did try true thumbing, that was also a crash waiting to happen........
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