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04-07-2012 02:04 AM  9 years ago
CX1

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what killed the deal for me was: Cost and availability of nitromethane and castor oil.

but if you can get those 2 ingredients for a deal then it would be worth doing.

Methyl hydrate can be found at most hardware stores
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04-07-2012 03:19 AM  9 years ago
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I don't think today's $500 heli engines are going to tolerate homebrew glowfuel too well. We havent discussed the other additives like antifoam agents or rust inhibitors. That homebrew is going to be drawing water to itself like a magnet.
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04-07-2012 03:34 AM  9 years ago
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Who's going to sell you a 55 gallon drum of nitromethane these days? Heck, you can't even buy a bag of fertilizer anymore without getting put on a government watch list. Do you really think some guy off the street is going to be able to buy a 55 gallon drum of a highly flammable oxidant that can be used to fashion plastic explosives and rocket fuel?

I think the only way you're going to get your hands on a significant quantity of nitromethane is to make it from easier to acquire starting materials. But if you make it yourself, the quality of your nitromethane is probably going to be so poor that the acid byproducts will seize the piston.
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04-07-2012 03:36 AM  9 years ago
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where are the racers that use it getting it?Compass helis Support Team
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04-07-2012 03:38 AM  9 years ago
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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The racers have a license giving them permission to obtain high purity nitromethane in significant quantities. You too can get a license if you're willing to go through the necessary background check and then keep good documentation as to what you're using it for. There are currently thousands of basic chemicals which are only sold to people with licenses and background checks. Sure, you could buy 100ml of 99.99% pure nitromethane from a laboratory supply house, but if you want a gallon of the same stuff, you're going to have to prove to the FBI, DEA, DHS, etc, that you're a legitimate business with a legitimate use for the product.

After 9/11, a lot of things changed. It's not like the 1950's when you could buy an Atomic Chemistry Lab. It's a real shame too. Chemistry is such a wonderful and interesting science, but it's also becoming a lost art only kept alive by drug manufacturers and terrorists.

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04-07-2012 03:40 AM  9 years ago
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did not know that thanksCompass helis Support Team
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04-07-2012 03:43 AM  9 years ago
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JUSTIN,what do you do for a living, are you a chemist?Compass helis Support Team
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04-07-2012 03:45 AM  9 years ago
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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It was my original undergraduate major. Then I learned what PhD chemists earn. Promptly changed my major to something else. But if I could take a DeLorean back in time to the 1930's, 1940's, or even the 1950's in order to work on the Manhattan project or any of the other Los Alamos projects, I would be in heaven. It's a super interesting field of study.Avant RC
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04-07-2012 03:47 AM  9 years ago
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if you want a gallon, you're going to have to prove to the FBI, DEA, DHS, etc, that you're a legitimate business with a legitimate use for the product.
thats not true. a link was just posted, anyone can buy a 1 gallon jug of nitro methane for $50. but if there marking up the methanol to $14 a gallon when its only about $4 when you buy a whole 55 gallon drum then the nitro probably really is not that expensive if you bought a whole 55 gallon drum.
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04-07-2012 03:49 AM  9 years ago
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Are you sure there is not fine print somewhere in the listing saying that a "DEA license is required to purchase this product"? Because there are a lot of products available from various sellers which are technically illegal to sell to anyone who does not have a license. Also, who is going to ship that 55 gallon drum of nitromethane to you? Certainly not UPS or FedEX.

Maybe nitromethane is no longer on the controlled substances list? I know that a few years ago, I read an article saying that terrorists were distilling the nitromethane out of RC fuel. But maybe that has changed?
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04-07-2012 03:56 AM  9 years ago
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i added it to my shopping cart and went through the check out process up until it asks for my pay pal password and there is no mention of needing any licence. normally when you order a 55 drum its come on a pallet, either roadway or ccx or some company like that brings it. when i buy methanol in a 55 gallon drum i just go pick it up from a local chemical company. i asked them about getting nitro methane once and they sounded like they didnt even have any idea what it was or how to get it.
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04-07-2012 04:02 AM  9 years ago
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04-07-2012 04:05 AM  9 years ago
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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I put it in my shopping cart too. Interesting. But it does not indicate a purity level. None of the linked stores indicate a purity level for their nitromethane.

Maybe the nitromethane is somehow adulterated with something else to make it legal to sell? The same way they add various adulterants to ethanol so that you can buy it as "denatured alcohol" at the hardware store? I wonder if Torco would send you an MSDS on the nitromethane they are selling? I suppose they could adulterate it with methanol which would make it hard for terrorists to use to make plastic explosives, but would be perfect for us since our fuel already has methanol in it. But if they adulterate it with acetone or ethanol, that might be more of a problem.
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04-07-2012 04:06 AM  9 years ago
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Let's not forget the Dow Chemical motto - circa 1976: "Without chemicals, life itself would be impossible."
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04-07-2012 04:11 AM  9 years ago
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Why not just save the nanny state Eeyeor-isms until the people who have actually mixed their own fuel are done talking.
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04-07-2012 04:11 AM  9 years ago
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You'd need a round bottom flask + magnetic stirring bar + separatory funnel + Claisen head + thermometer + heating mantle + fractional distillation column + condenser column + a fume hood.

If you bought all laboratory grade glasware, it would probably cost you at least $1500 for the equipment. If you made it yourself out of PVC pipe + an old toaster + a garden hose + etc, you'd probably end up catching everything in your house on fire and end up in the hospital.

Just buy some CoolPower. And take a chemistry class while you're at it. It would do you some good to know what you're talking about.
You sure sound like a meth cook.

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04-07-2012 04:12 AM  9 years ago
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The one I posted if you look at description for larger amounts it said 100% pure. UPS or Fedex ground
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04-07-2012 04:15 AM  9 years ago
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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The one I posted if you look at description for larger amounts it said 100% pure.
That's a red flag right there. There is no such thing as 100% pure anything. Even if you are buying deuterated chloroform for use in NMR spectroscopy (which is arguably the most sensitive of analytical equipment), the best purity you can get is about 99.999% pure.

If they say their nitromethane is 100% pure, I would suspect they don't know what they are talking about.

Hey, quick question for you nitro pilots. Does any of the commercially available fuel these days use castor oil? Or is it all synthetic oil? (I personally quit my nitro habit about 3 years ago so I'm not in that market anymore). But I ask that because Ricin is a byproduct of castor oil refining, and is a very potent toxin that has potential for use in terrorism. I kind of figured that some well intentioned politician would have figured out a need to made castor oil illegal by now. Jeez, at the rate we're going, in a few years you're going to need a license to buy bottled water.
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04-07-2012 04:19 AM  9 years ago
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Ok the 5gal said 100% and the 53gal said 99.9%. They are a race fuel supplier
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04-07-2012 04:24 AM  9 years ago
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you can get caster/synthetic mix (not sure of the ratio but it sure makes more of a mess on my planes) or all synthetic.
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