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04-05-2012 02:30 AM  9 years ago
unclejane

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LS,
Go NOBAR without tail gyro and we shall call you:

Testiclees
No way, Santiago.. I'm brave but not _that_ brave lol...

LS
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04-05-2012 03:12 PM  9 years ago
unclejane

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Another option, BTW, if folks are interested in NOBAR but don't want to completely abandon stabilization - the CGY 750 is capable of rate mode on the cyclic gyros. It's even switchable if you use the 8FG radio.

In fact the 750 behaves that way in heading hold mode too lol. But just a thought if you want to get an idea of what NOBAR is like but at a gentler level...

LS
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04-05-2012 03:23 PM  9 years ago
DougV

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That’s how my CGY750 is setup, I take off in rate mode (Normal) then I switch to HH mode.

By the way, both of my 750’s are basically hands off in HH mode.

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04-05-2012 03:26 PM  9 years ago
unclejane

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Yep, and another advantage of the 750 for NOBAR is you can completely disable the cyclic gyros by simply turning the gains down to 0 at the transmitter. At that point, you just have a regular CCPM setup (with the mixing all done in the 750 of course).

So that's a good way to wean onto NOBAR if you're so inclined - just keep turning the gains down in rate mode until you get to 0....

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04-05-2012 05:33 PM  9 years ago
3dgimble

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unclejane is right, the CGY750 is the best way to go NOBAR for only $320.
That was my first experience with no bar, the CGY750 actually flew better without the HH gyros.
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04-05-2012 05:50 PM  9 years ago
Mike Fortin

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the CGY750 actually flew better without the HH gyros.
Then the 750 wasn't flying.

The only people that are not using an FBL system are certainly not attempting manuvers like piro walls of death, piro pie dishs, piro globes and so forth.

If you can show me a model that will do those manuvers exactly the same each time without variation, then I'll consider changing over.
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04-05-2012 06:21 PM  9 years ago
knightofcarnage

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piro globes
LOL , would love to see just one video of a piro globe in RL not on sim.
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04-05-2012 06:54 PM  9 years ago
unclejane

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unclejane is right, the CGY750 is the best way to go NOBAR for only $320.
That was my first experience with no bar, the CGY750 actually flew better without the HH gyros.
Actually, the best way to go NOBAR is for $0 with your transmitters CCPM and your old tail gyro out of your junk box lol.

But seriously, the 750 is a good way to try it if you aren't a NOBAR devotee.

And Mike makes a good point too that Dr. Ben has also made and I agree with. NOBAR does increase pilot workload significantly, such that flying to the standard you really need in precision 3D or F3C, etc., is probably not really possible (unless you're _really_ "testecleas" as Santiago says).

I've found NOBAR to be good training (I've learned a lot over the last few days I've been trying it) and lots of fun, but I don't know if you could achieve the level of control required for precision flying in the current competition classes.

OTOH, I could see proposing a NOBAR class in F3C or 3D that would level the playing field - flybars and cyclic stabilization not permitted, and perhaps a simpler program suitable for the demands of NOBAR.

Now _that_ would be a blast....

LS
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04-07-2012 12:24 AM  9 years ago
unclejane

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Just FYI, went NOBAR on the nitro today. I have found The machine for the upcoming NOBAR Nats F3C competition. Align F3C blades, OS105 and GY 701 on trex 700 with stock nitro canopy. I think it's the canopy, but my nitro gives reduced pitching effects over the electric. The huge Hatori hanging off the left side may help too.
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04-07-2012 12:34 AM  9 years ago
bkervaski

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NOBAR ...

FBL ...

Team Synergy Factory Specialist / Scorpion / Thunder Power / Byron's Fuels
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04-07-2012 01:12 AM  9 years ago
Mike Fortin

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ROFLMFAO x 2Have Rotors, Will Fly!
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04-07-2012 02:05 AM  9 years ago
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NOBAR:

FBL:

NOBAR:

FBL:

Any Questions?
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04-07-2012 02:12 AM  9 years ago
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^^^ Just another example of people always wanting the latest and
greatest........................ (the mowers) I wouldn't mind
trying one of those push-reels at least once

I was NOBAR (heli-cuzz inspired also), for over a year and I liked
it! Yeah, it was a bit sloppy at some stuff, but never a fight to fly
at all!! I ended up w a V-bar after a catastrophic bladegrip failure,
for the rebuild, and now have it on both my Logos.

But if anything happened that I had to send one in for service, you
can bet I would go back to NOBAR until I got it back. And yes, NOBAR
works much better w. bigger machines and heavier blades.
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04-07-2012 02:53 AM  9 years ago
unclejane

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lol * 10,000.......

sorry but those riding mowers and fancy motorcycles won't be allowed at the NOBAR NATS. You're just going to have to ride a bike or walk! And no other unmanly stuff like aspirin or diarrhea medicine either - you have to just hold it till your flight is over!

The program for the NOBAR NATS will be pretty manly also:
schedule I: can you take off and fly around without a crash.
schedule II: hover a little bit and try to hold it still.
schedule III: optional autorotation. If you get it on the runway you get extra points.

Meanwhile, NOBAR is the most fun I've had with helis since I came back to the hobby a year ago. Especially in a 20mph wind, NOBAR is off-the-hook fun.

And yes heavy F3C blades and some expo help a lot in a stiff wind. I've found my Align F3C blades are just about the ideal for the nitro. My Curtis FAI's are on the electric.

Yeah pirouettes are pretty spectacular, but what fun...

LS
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