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04-02-2012 11:28 AM  9 years ago
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Rotormaster

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I think the time has come to move on... from clones.
Alright, just for background, I had been flying a HK clone and was at the stage of flying FFF and circuits. Then, I got the sim.
My clone has not seen the air since, reason being that the sim took me by great surprise with the rate at which it helped my progression.
I entered the hobby with cheap clones upon the logic that if it turned out that the hobby was not for me, the money wasted in the initial investment would not be so great... I guess I wanted to just 'wet my feet', if you like. Also, Knowing that I would not be doing anything other than hovering 30cm off the ground for quite some time, the safety risk was one I could afford.

Since I got the sim late last year, I have been using it every week, at least once or twice. I am now at the point where I do not believe that it would be wise for me to undertake that type of flying using the HK clone and the cheap electronics in it. For this, I have abstained from flying... until I decided to dust-off and 'test' the old clone on sunday. I begun to spool up, and with enough HS the tail was all over the place. Ok, the gyro mustn't be set up. When I had a look at it, the tail pitch slider had entirely dismantled itself... not loosened but broken. This absolutely confirmed the thoughts I was having. There was no thinking twice here. For me, that was all I needed to see.

With my concerns about risk now empirically confirmed, I think it is time for me to move on from clones and to something a little more reliable. I have my mind on going with a T450 combo, as I already have a profusion of compatible spares such as shafts, booms and landing gears. I am thinking of the pro but I would be replacing the TT drivetrain to belt straight away, so I'm considering whether it would be worth my while to just get the sport v2. Is there much of a difference between the two? Are the electronics in the pro worth it?

Look forward to your advice.

Oh, and I'm new so take it easy!
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04-02-2012 02:37 PM  9 years ago
paulpeffly

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you will be extremely pleased with an align heli over a clone. The quality is much better and the electronics are good. With a clone heli and electronics you are only going to frustrate yourself. If money is a concern just go with the v2 sport and you will be happy and then as you progress you could upgrade to something else, pro or maybe try bigger.Team HeliDirect
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04-02-2012 02:46 PM  9 years ago
Richardmid1

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You seem to be going in the right direction.

I have the Sport V2 and I love it! And ive had a Sport V1, Pro, blinged up Mini Titan and a Rave 450!

Your concerns about stripping torque tube gears on the Pro are correct, while it never happened to me in flight the slightest touch of the tail in long grass and their gone and they are a pain to replace not to mention costly. This is the reason I went for a Sport.

The Pro and the Sport V2 fly pretty much the same. I would recommend a MKS DS95i tail servo on the Sport, best 450 tail ive had!
60% of the time, it works every time!
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04-02-2012 02:55 PM  9 years ago
jschenck

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Another vote for the sport. When you dump it in it'll be a lot less expensive with a belt driven tail and that frame layout is a lot easier on the servos. Align 450 Pro flies great but tears up servos when it goes in. I'd also suggest sticking with a flybar initially.

and get an mCPx - good bridge between a sim and 'real life'
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04-02-2012 03:08 PM  9 years ago
rc3po

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+1 on the MCPX
That little heli has been one of my best additions.. And has helped a ton!
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04-02-2012 03:49 PM  9 years ago
Rotormaster

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Thanks guys.

Most of you are recommending the sport due to the tail drive, but like I said, if I go with the pro I will swap the TT for a belt straight away so that's not a problem. The price difference is small so it's not really an issue if the pro is worth it. Particularly, like I said with the electronics. I noticed that the pro has a newer gyro, and since I have previously heard accounts of the Align gyro having drift issues I was wondering wether the newer electronics would actually be improved versions over the older ones, other than the updated name.

PS: I may be wrong but from what I know they still share things like spindle and main shafts?

PPS: Also, no more mCPX recommendations please. I already have one. Which is waiting to be sent for repair.
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04-02-2012 03:52 PM  9 years ago
GetToDaChopper

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if you can get the cash together i would highly recommend a Mini Protos, they are highly reliable, very quiet (it doesn't sound like an electric drill on steroids), and for a 450 size heli pretty dang tuff, if you gov it at 70% along with a 3 cell 2700mAh battery it balances perfect and it will fly mild sport for 9:00 min ! or put a 2200 mAh battery in, crank up the gov and do CRAZY 3D ! it comes with a FB or FBS head setup to boot, and if you like you can stretch it with there stretch kit and or swing 350 blades and or go with a 4 or 6 cell setup that's mostly pre-configed (choice of battery and all that) how could you go wrong ?

oh and i 2nd MKS DS95i tail servo, in fact MKS DS95s all the way around !
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04-02-2012 03:59 PM  9 years ago
jschenck

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From what I see the only difference between the Sport V2 (Kit KX015081) and the pro V2 (KX015082) is the gyro and tail servo. May ask your vendor if they'd swap the tail servo and gyro for the difference in the cost. My main thought behind the sport is it tends to be easier on the servo gears when you crash.

If course running wood blades and a lower teeth pinion (keeping headspeed down) is a way to really save your heli from being torn up on crashes. I did a lot of crashing with wood blades on an old 450 and rarely broke the plastic gears on my servos. 450 pro's with high headspeed and composite blades blow up gears often on crashes and at ~$15 a set for metal gears it add to the cost.

But the 450 pro is a nice heli and if it's what you want then you should go for it. Don't want 'I wish I had gotten that instead'.
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04-02-2012 04:03 PM  9 years ago
GetToDaChopper

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isn't the main difference between the Sport V2 (Kit KX015081) and the pro V2 (KX015082) that the sport is belt and the pro is a TT tail ? i've own a sport and a pro but they were both naked kits so i couldn't tell you about the gyros or servos....    ▲
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04-02-2012 04:12 PM  9 years ago
Paul Woodcock

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Hi

I have a trex450 pro.
I don't get the torque tube fears.
I have eaten up the grass with it many times and never damaged tail gears or tail servo. Admittedly I have never bumped the tail on the ground, just settled into the grass on take off and landing.

Infact, I have never changed a broken/worn part. The only change was a fbl conversion.

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Paul
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04-02-2012 04:20 PM  9 years ago
GetToDaChopper

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when i had a 450 pro i didn't strip any TT gears either, but then again there is no tall grass in vegas plus i didn't have it that long, as soon as the Mini Protos came out i jumped ship......     ▲
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04-02-2012 04:25 PM  9 years ago
Richardmid1

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There are no drift issues with the Align's GP gyros. Get the kit that has the newest GP790 gyro, its the best gyro ive had! Quark, mini g, solid g, GY520, I prefer the GP790!

Avoid the GP780.

I would also recommend the Mini Protos although I think the mini protos would be best FBL. I don't own one but I own a Protos 500, its just a smaller version.
60% of the time, it works every time!
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04-02-2012 08:20 PM  9 years ago
JasonJ

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The sport flies awesome, you wouldn't be disappointed. I have a friend with one and it's hard to find fault with it.
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04-02-2012 08:27 PM  9 years ago
sonnyhad

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Don't waste your money on a 450, just get a 50 sized heli, and don't look back. I wished i would have done that back when!Bald Pilots usually wear hats!
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04-02-2012 08:30 PM  9 years ago
paulpeffly

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yeah 600 size heli's are just awesome!Team HeliDirect
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04-02-2012 09:43 PM  9 years ago
JasonJ

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50s do fly awesome, I love mine but I am glad I still have my trusty little fourfitty. I don't always fly it but I am always happy when I do. Sometimes it's nice to throw some batts and tx in a bag, grab the fourfitty and meet my buds for some quick flying without bringing the big stuff. I have a little electric profile 3D plane for the same reason.
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04-02-2012 10:39 PM  9 years ago
nobato1

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600 size heli fly 100 times easier than 450s. Is all a ploy from hobby indutry to catch more flies, and by the time you upgrade a 450 several times you are up to the cost of a good 50 anyway.
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04-03-2012 06:01 AM  9 years ago
Paul Woodcock

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Hi

Yes, bigger is better. If you are prepared to spend more than a trex450,
I would recommend a Trex550...

It is almost a 600, uses std sized servos and flies VERY well.

Regards
Paul
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04-03-2012 06:05 AM  9 years ago
paulpeffly

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+1 also for 550.. when I had mine it was one of my favorites. great size alsoTeam HeliDirect
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04-03-2012 06:16 AM  9 years ago
VKGT

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Best move you will ever make is to dump the clones

Also agree with the other guys, don't bother with a 450 when the 500 and up flies so much better. Bang for the buck, can't beat the performance of the 550
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