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04-02-2012 07:05 PM  9 years ago
rbort

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You guys might be right
but SHHHHHH, let the brave men and boys of Run Ryder exercise their rights as Beta testers
But we're hoping for better performance sooner

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04-02-2012 08:12 PM  9 years ago
bkervaski

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WARNING 4.01 firmware is a beta folks.

Do NOT install unless you are willing to sacrifice your helicopter.

Let Castle test out their firmware on there OWN helicopters.

Do not support the unethical Castle firmware developement procedure that USES paying customers and destroy's there equipment in the process.

Beta firmware should only be available to the reps.

Let the reps trash their own heli's.
It's not unethical.

It's not trashing helicopters.

It's clearly marked beta.

You don't have to run it.

It's common practice to have beta releases.

Reps can choose which version to run.

Everybody else can choose which version to run.
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04-02-2012 09:14 PM  9 years ago
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It's not unethical.

It's not trashing helicopters.

It's clearly marked beta.

You don't have to run it.

It's common practice to have beta releases.

Reps can choose which version to run.

Everybody else can choose which version to run.
It is unethical if you are aware of bugs that can potentially cause harm or loss of property.

Yup Castle products never cause damage.

I won't run it, and the average joe should not run it until informed of the very unstable nature of Castle beta releases. Unfortunately the shills come out in the forums and make claims that the latest beta release cured all the gremlins, and made their heli fly better than ever. This is done to entice ( sucker ) unsuspecting people into the castle "beta" ( sucker ) pool.

It is common practice to have beta releases when only MINOR issues are expected. Castle have released flaming out of control meteorites on more than one occasion.

Reps should be the only ones running beta releases and there rep agreement should put that in writing. If you don't want to test then no freebies for you.

Only those who FULLY understand the Castle beta game of Russian Roulette should have access to the firmware, but unfortunately the shills make it look like the greatest thing since sliced bread.
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04-02-2012 09:24 PM  9 years ago
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I agree with Wave, for the simple fact they know state of the hobby, they know we are going to try it, this is evident in the fact that they do not print it bold that we may have serious malfunctions when trying new firmwares.

Castle is not stupid they are watching us, reading what we are writing, even this! Waiting to see what comes of it, in some way they do not think that they are liable for the the damages their product costs us, but they should be.

The fu&^%*& "whole hobby is BETA." Look into History of how people tested products for humans and with humans. I believe it is the same thing. It is simple gentle men, if it says BETA do not use it cause Castle knows you will and want you to test and they see if it works.

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04-02-2012 09:54 PM  9 years ago
bkervaski

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It is unethical if you are aware of bugs that can potentially cause harm or loss of property.
I'm 100% sure that Castle wouldn't knowingly release firmware in the state you just described, I know some of these guys, they are good people that truly want to put a superior product in your hand at a reasonable price.

How many companies that you know would willingly take on a recall such as Castle did last summer? Even automobile manufacturers leave products in the field with known safety issues because it's cheaper to deal with the lawsuits than a recall.

There is no possible way to test every combination of equipment in every possible configuration and at every level of flight performance and every state of equipment wear and tear.

They found some issues with 4.0 (beta) and quickly fixed them in 4.01 (beta), what more can you ask for?

"Beta" means "use at your own risk, we're still testing, but this release may have features and performance improvements you've been waiting for so if you do choose to run it let us know if you find any problems".

I haven't seen a lot of issues with the new ICE2 controllers at events or at the field and 4.x is going to be a great release with tons of improvements.

What I do see is forum fever, abused equipment, and bad setups causing more problems than the controllers.
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04-02-2012 10:03 PM  9 years ago
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I'm wondering why a castle rep or castle themselves doesn't chime in on any of these posts....Team me
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04-02-2012 10:31 PM  9 years ago
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If you have a ESC failure, or motor shutdown like that, I suggest checking this video and do what I do.
Not speaking CC here, but for another manufacturer it turned out that OVER 50% of the failures on ESC was due to a short in the motor.
Most people don't have them ,but best way is to check insulation resistance with a megger meter. The high voltage of the megger is more likely to find an insulation breakdown than the low voltage of an normal ohmmeter. The ohmmeter check is better than no check at all though. Nice of you to put the video out there for those who don't know.
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04-02-2012 10:35 PM  9 years ago
MrMel

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Most people don't have them ,but best way is to check insulation resistance with a megger meter. The high voltage of the megger is more likely to find an insulation breakdown than the low voltage of an normal ohmmeter. The ohmmeter check is better than no check at all though. Nice of you to put the video out there for those who don't know.
Yep, I have a 1000v megger but that's not something you will find at the common hardware store so I figured its better than nothing.

Had one more today with a too long screw that wondered why all the errors in the vbar log on his new TDR, just a flight away from disaster
Gone fishing..or hunting..or something
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04-02-2012 10:43 PM  9 years ago
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I don't believe that ANY manufacturer is responsible for repairing your heli because their component failed. Its the chance you take and nobody is forcing you to use it, that and the fact these manufacturers have ZERO control on how you install, program, and configure it. I know it sucks but if you can't deal with the consequences then get out of the hobby.

I do agree about the beta thing though, I do not want to be the beta tester and it should be tested by people that are willing to sacrifice their heli. They do give us the option and I suppose they put the beta out there for people who are willing to go that route, you don't have to run it.
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04-03-2012 02:10 AM  9 years ago
CT.Chopper

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Be careful recommending a megger to people,
some may have access to one and use it at 1kv
and breakdown the insulation on their motors..

that will only work if there is a winding to winding fault
if there is a breakdown of insulation in the same winding the megger will not help you.

I have a MIT520 that can be used from 250v to 5kv
even at 250v i wouldent trust it to non destructive.

If anything at all is used it should be a winding resistance
test set set at 20 amps or less.

or even a DLRO @ 10 amps.
Rob Landry.
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04-03-2012 04:43 PM  9 years ago
3dgimble

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All my talk about CC, I must say they are a bunch of decent guys, I never get bad vibes when I call and they are always willing to help. Aside from their products, customer service is very important to me. I am glad I am not talking to someone in a distant land who does not speak English and does not care about the hobby(shi$% customer care), lol or even in the US and who can barley speak English. I would still buy from castle any day.
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04-04-2012 07:18 PM  9 years ago
rbort

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I flew the 4.01 for another 2 flights yesterday
Everything is running smooth I'm happy. I also want to say that I noticed that the auto bailout is not as aggressive which is good actually. In other words when you auto down, if you forget to flip to normal mode before you release throttle hold its not detremental as it used to be almost swinging the blades back far enough to divot them in the grips. Its faster than going to normal and back (soft start), but not that much faster, maybe 1 to 2 seconds sooner get to rpms which is just fine by me.

-=>Raja.
MA 1005 Hanson 27 3DMax, 4488 flts
Spectra-G Hanson 27 3DMax, 3485 flts
Whiplash V1-2 Hanson 300, 2090 flts
Whiplash V2 Hanson 300, 989 flts
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04-04-2012 07:28 PM  9 years ago
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@rbort -- You can set how aggressive the auto bailout is by adjusting the "Head Speed Change Rate" on the "Throttle" page of CastleLink.Team Synergy Factory Specialist / Scorpion / Thunder Power / Byron's Fuels
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04-04-2012 08:03 PM  9 years ago
rbort

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In a way I suppose yes
But then in a hover when you switch flight modes it jumps too fast to the next speed and can overshoot for a split second. I did play with that, as high as 12 and now back to 8, happy with that setting for the rpm change in flight.

Auto bailout is OK speed for me. What setting do you use on the head speed change rate?

-=>Raja.
MA 1005 Hanson 27 3DMax, 4488 flts
Spectra-G Hanson 27 3DMax, 3485 flts
Whiplash V1-2 Hanson 300, 2090 flts
Whiplash V2 Hanson 300, 989 flts
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04-04-2012 08:06 PM  9 years ago
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where is a tutorial for setting the auto bail out feature?
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04-04-2012 08:30 PM  9 years ago
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Watch at YouTube

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04-04-2012 10:25 PM  9 years ago
BobOD

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On one hand, here is just another case of not manning up to your responsibilities. If you CHOOSE to install BETA software, you have chosen to run software which is not thoroughly tested. If you don't wish to accept this responsibility....don't.

Then on the flip side...we're talking about a product line which has a FINAL software version that is dated 2009 and is thoroughly tested and known to not work so well.

Hmmmph....quite a conundrum we have here.
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04-05-2012 12:28 AM  9 years ago
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Where can I get a good inexpensive ohm checker like mr Mel is using in his video?and the blonde said "RECTUM, Hell damn near killed em!!"
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04-05-2012 12:31 AM  9 years ago
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radio shack they have some good inexpensive ones, home depo and Sears as well.
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04-05-2012 01:06 AM  9 years ago
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Any DVM (Digital Volt Meter) will work. You do not need to spend alot of money on it AND you can even use it for other things besides r/c helicopters. Harbor Freight should have some decent ones as well.
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