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04-11-2014 02:39 PM  4 years agoPost 101
Ace Dude

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Here's another one I heard a long time ago:

No one remembers when you're right and no one forgets when you're wrong.

  

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04-11-2014 03:18 PM  4 years agoPost 102
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^ now that's a fact!

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04-11-2014 05:16 PM  4 years agoPost 103
Tyler

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Ace dude
Can you explain the risk and solution? I'm sincere here.

In your example I understand using a fuse between batteries or between batteries and charger, but I don't get the fuse between batteries and car concept at all.

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04-11-2014 06:46 PM  4 years agoPost 104
Ace Dude

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Hi Tyler, Sorry if my post was confusing. I was only referring to fusing the batteries at the battery terminal so anything downstream (i.e., chargers) would be protected. I'm not sure what is meant by fuse between batteries and car.

  

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04-11-2014 07:01 PM  4 years agoPost 105
Tyler

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Ace dude,

Thanks for clarifying. I see we are agreeing with the same fusing practice, as I suspected.

Fusing between the battery and the vehicle was suggested by Ronald, and that is what needs to be clarified in this installation.

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04-11-2014 07:02 PM  4 years agoPost 106
Tyler

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Here is the quote that is confusing
It is nice that the batteries are isolated from the car 100% but they are still in the car, you still need protection from the batteries in the car, plain and simple. It really does not matter if they are not connected to the car's charging system, the car still needs to be protected from the batteries. Look at it this way, when you plug a charger into the wall at the house, the circuit breaker protect the HOUSE from whatever is connected to the house…same thing.

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04-11-2014 07:12 PM  4 years agoPost 107
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I think that basically just means you should fuse the batts as far "upstream" as you can.

I personally would fuse each batt at the terminal if possible. you'd have to do a little math in case of a multiple batt setup to determine a good fuse size, but this would protect everything downstream of the batt posts as much as possible.

And even some smaller ones further downstream (eg. at the input to the charger) would add an extra measure of safety there...

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04-11-2014 07:49 PM  4 years agoPost 108
Ronald Thomas

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There is no need for a fuse between the batteries and the car, but he NEEDS fusing in the battery system to keep horrible circumstances from burning his car to the ground.
Make sure you understand, I am not just for fusing the system, I am also for battery boxes (~$10 each) and securing them down as well. This will help mitigate any possible shorts that lead to fire.
Let's say one day it starts to rain and in his haste to get all his Helis out of the rain, he forgets to secure the leads to the batteries or he throws a Heli on to a pair of the main leads and they short . If there is fusing, then he just blows a fuse, replaces it after he discovers the problem and goes about his way. If there are no fuses, he will read short 24v of battery that have the capacity to dump hundreds of amps instantly through the 4AWG wire. That equals fire and if you think a lipo fire in a car is bad, you better hold on for this one

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04-11-2014 07:52 PM  4 years agoPost 109
Ronald Thomas

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Fusing the batteries from the car is also needed when the main charging system is chagrin the batteries as well but in this case it is not needed BUT that does not mean he does not need fusing to protect the car and occupants from the batteries that are still IN the car. I hope that clears it up.
I think you let the other opinion in the thread muddy the waters, which he does with much skill and precision

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04-11-2014 07:56 PM  4 years agoPost 110
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How can you possibly fuse this system?

You said it again but I don't get it. Please explain HOW? I'm serious and sincere. I don't understand. I hear ya, but don't get it.

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04-11-2014 08:38 PM  4 years agoPost 111
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How can you possibly fuse this system?
Make the first thing off the battery a fuse. One for each battery.

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04-11-2014 08:52 PM  4 years agoPost 112
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That has been established multiple times, but does not address the question asked.

How do you fuse the batteries from the car to protect the car from the batteries if the batteries are never in contact or connected to the car? For the record, I didn't propose this, I am simply request ion that proposal explained because it has been stated and defended at least three times by Ronald, unless he means something else and mis-stated his concept.

I fully understand fusing the battery terminals between the chargers.

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04-11-2014 09:21 PM  4 years agoPost 113
Ronald Thomas

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Tyler, I mean protect the car by having a safe battery system in the car. You would not drive with cups of gasoline open on the car right? The same applies to having live, unsecured, unfused batteries in there as well.

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04-11-2014 09:23 PM  4 years agoPost 114
Ronald Thomas

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Think of the batteries as a system. Now you need to make that system safe so that is is ok to have in a car.

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04-11-2014 09:58 PM  4 years agoPost 115
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Tyler, I think he was trying to show I was somehow wrong about something and trying to avoid challenging anything I actually said, ran off in another direction.
I wouldn't try to make all that much about it.

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04-11-2014 11:07 PM  4 years agoPost 116
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That settles it, then. We are all saying the same thing. There was just some confusion on the postings.

All in favor say, "Aye"?

Aye!

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04-11-2014 11:45 PM  4 years agoPost 117
Ronald Thomas

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Bob, you challenged my posts....so what exactly did I "avoid challenging"?

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04-12-2014 12:14 AM  4 years agoPost 118
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I think a red button on the gear shift knob that ejects the batts in case of a problem would be better. Just launch those babies right into the stratosphere so they burn themselves out on the way down. It would make a nice sparkle show.

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04-12-2014 12:25 AM  4 years agoPost 119
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Ron, go back and look at my 1st post here. I have one of these on my deep cycle charging setup and it works very nicely.

Then look at the post that follows.
That is not a good suggestion as that is a pretty light weight circuit breaker and a 4AWG wire has the ability to carry upward of 250 amps continuous without issue.
Who is challenging who?

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04-12-2014 01:29 PM  4 years agoPost 120
Ronald Thomas

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I like how you only see what you want to see….My very first post:
No fusing, asking for a fire
I don't see any fusing between the batteries and I am unsure if there is any from the rear batteries to the front battery. Also the batteries appear to be unsecured….If you get into a good enough accident, you will watch your car burn to the ground
YOUR first post…which coincidentally follows mine and is contradictory….as usual :roll eyes:
I wouldn't go with fuses.
This would be a good addition for you.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/80-Amp-In-L...=item3a8d894035
I say again, who is challenging who? If anyone here were to search my posts, they would see you posting pretty much RIGHT after mine with contradictory and often confusing info. I realize you have a man crush on me but really, it is getting a little embarrassing

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