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03-09-2012 01:40 PM  6 years agoPost 1
joeskeeter

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I can't figure out why the police departments don't actively seek rc'ers, heli hobbyists etc. to help out in deploying UAVs.

http://www.itworld.com/security/255...nes-come-anyway

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03-09-2012 01:56 PM  6 years agoPost 2
no1gsxrman

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Drones
Actually they do two people at the local field fly drones.

Put the woman and children to bed it's time to go fly!

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03-09-2012 02:03 PM  6 years agoPost 3
rcnut

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To either help fly / maintain or train their officers how to fly!

I'd would work for our's.

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03-09-2012 02:40 PM  6 years agoPost 4
Chris Bergen

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What makes you believe that none of these "accidents" weren't with RC Pilots behind the sticks?

OTOH, I know a few R/C turned UAV Pilots who haven't the first clue what in the heli they are doing...

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03-09-2012 02:45 PM  6 years agoPost 5
BrainDrain_dx

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The drone companies seek out rc stick pilots for help when testing their products before release but by the time they sell them the rc pilot should no longer be needed.

These things fail like anything else so just because you have a rc guy doesn't mean it will get saved.

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03-09-2012 04:12 PM  6 years agoPost 6
shawmcky

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The military here tried using Rc heli pilots for their armed helicopter drones,till a disgruntled heliman took out all the plank pilots after an arguement.

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03-09-2012 04:52 PM  6 years agoPost 7
RappyTappy

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Sweet, now we will have cameras watching our every move. Good ol' freedom of the USA. Remember folks, Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Got to look over your shoulder to sneeze.

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03-10-2012 05:28 AM  6 years agoPost 8
MXRACERX43

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I will have a unique quailification when I graduate from the police academy next year.

With local budgets thought I don't see them being a reality in my area.

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03-10-2012 05:39 AM  6 years agoPost 9
3dgimble

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LOL, all this new technology is going to backfire on us. It is a fact, Cops, Military, Civilians and all. When we go too far that is when its going to get sticky for all of us. Can not beat the devil at his own game guys.

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03-10-2012 11:02 AM  6 years agoPost 10
joeskeeter

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It won't backfire.
Not at all.
I think that it would be reasonable to conclude, that, the criminal element will be fast to acquire the same technology that the police and defense industries have. Then, they will deploy jamming technology, signal disrupters,and counter-deploy, defensive UAVS/drones/quads/multis.

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03-10-2012 02:49 PM  6 years agoPost 11
Noobyflyer

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I'm sure they have a long learning curve and destroy a lot of equipment on the tax payer's dime along the way.

Another thing to feel great about.....newbies learning to fly with an unlimited supply of my money. Have a great day!

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03-17-2012 11:34 AM  6 years agoPost 12
joeskeeter

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According to the article it seems that
self leveling GPS assist does not negate the high
winds in Texas. The units are crashing because the
operators are still in the beginning of the learning
curve and are most likely relying on the things to
fly themselves. Goes back to what all of us on RR
have gone through or are going through.
RC helis take time to learn, for most of us.
The quads/multis seem easier to fly, but I am only looking
at the videos so far, and don't own one. So, I guess I can't say
whether they are as difficult as a conventional rc heli or not.
Anyone flying a quad and a conventional rc heli is welcome to share
their experience and opinion on how steep the learning curve is
on the quad/multis.

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03-17-2012 12:44 PM  6 years agoPost 13
dbldins

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+1 to funguy!! I feel the same way about the progression of society as a whole. What is a heli "drone" flier but an AP person? There's the droners.

I wish I still flew!!!

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03-18-2012 07:33 AM  6 years agoPost 14
Wildbird22

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JoelStolarski Stated:

"I can't figure out why the police departments don't actively seek rc'ers, heli hobbyists etc. to help out in deploying UAVs."

Fact: Some police/Sheriffs Departments, ARE employing that technology. The biggest users is the Emergency Management Office under the Sheriffs Department. I know this cause I do this here with the local Emergency Management...and for those who don't know, Emergency Management is the new name for the old County Civil Defense. Remember Duck and Cover!!

I'm a volunteer Ham Radio operator, with the local County Emergency Management. They purchased the UAV, and I fly it for them as a volunteer resources during floods, wild fire, and other disaster that hit the county. Live video feed is sent back to the Emergency Management Office for them to determine if more resources are needed.

The question of filing a flight plan has come up, but I've haven't had the need to fly over 200 feet, and I keep a visual on the UAV all the time. For me, I basically hover over an area and do very slow pans left or right, while a second operator operates the camera.

I don't do crime scene, or other law enforcement type stuff cause I'm not a sworn officer...I'm just a volunteer that knows how to use technologies that benefits my community at a minimum cost.

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03-18-2012 12:49 PM  6 years agoPost 15
philip 01

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arlington texas pd recently had their drone go in during a photo op with the swat team. it went into the swat team. they got out of the way but it crashed into the swat armoured vehicle.

the people that operate the heli have never and can not fly an rc heli manually. i met the 'pilot' at a local auvsi meeting/presentation about the heli.

i fly a rotomotion sr20 uav part time for a local university/govt agency working on a research project using the sr20 as the platform.

it is mind boggling to me that these pd's rely completely on the software to fly the heli. doesn't appear to be working out for them.

even with a pilot to takeover the controls there are no guarantees that the manual link will always be available in the event of autopilot malfunction. this i know from experience.

Watch at YouTube

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03-19-2012 01:40 PM  6 years agoPost 16
R-Rocks

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Phil, try Montgomery County Texas.

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03-19-2012 02:00 PM  6 years agoPost 17
Chris Bergen

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Philip01, someone is lying to you. The Pilot of the aircraft that crashed into the SWAT vehicle in Montgomery County is a good friend of mine and is a longtime accomplished R/C Helicopter Pilot.

This incident didn't happen "recently", it was 6 months ago.

The cause of the crash was the main gear stripping from a very heavily loaded helicopter, it was being flown Manually, in fact it didn't even have an autopilot system installed. It was simply being flown for the Photo op.

Vanguard is looking at suing the paper for it's VERY incorrect reporting, you might consider researching for some proper facts yourself before spreading anymore BS.

http://vanguarddefense.com/prototyp...news/#more-1004
This event was in no way part of a SWAT operation nor did the operator experience a loss of communication to the aircraft.

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03-19-2012 02:48 PM  6 years agoPost 18
philip 01

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ok on the montgomery county incident. read that it went into the swat team and hit the vehicle. ease up on the BS cowbell there tough guy.

however, the arlington pd pilot has zero heli background. they rely exclusively on the auto pilot 100% of the time and they have had an incident.

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03-19-2012 04:50 PM  6 years agoPost 19
joeskeeter

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Philip01, someone is lying to you. The Pilot of the aircraft that crashed into the SWAT vehicle in Montgomery County is a good friend of mine and is a longtime accomplished R/C Helicopter Pilot.

This incident didn't happen "recently", it was 6 months ago.

The cause of the crash was the main gear stripping from a very heavily loaded helicopter, it was being flown Manually, in fact it didn't even have an autopilot system installed. It was simply being flown for the Photo op.
Chris, look at what you wrote,"Main gear stripping", lack of fail safe implementation(my opinion),"very heavily loaded helicopter","it was being flown Manually".
Ding, and what do we have for our winner, Johnny?
OPERATOR ERROR.
Vanguard is looking at suing the paper for it's VERY incorrect reporting, you might consider researching for some proper facts yourself before spreading anymore BS.
Freedom of the Press, tough to make a case. Who was harmed, or damaged from the article? Have to PROVE damages.
I've read and re-read the article. Does not come off as fear-mongering, just illustates that implementing new technology is costly.
But, it does say that the self-leveling GPS assisted quads/multis, can not handle high texas winds without intervention by a skilled operator(what I imply from reading).
ease up on the BS cowbell there tough guy.
Lol Phil,good shot.

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03-19-2012 08:11 PM  6 years agoPost 20
Chris Bergen

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Sorry guys, but you took 2 unrelated incidents and tied them together making ASSumptions of your own.

It's these kinds of ASSumptions that the FAA wants to get their arms around going, "See?!?!".

I could state the Model being flown, but that would accomplish nothing except more BS flying around, I'll only say that I'm not surprised it stripped at that weight, a weight that the machine was supposedly "designed" for. Certainly not "Operator Error" in this case.

I'm unsure how a "lack of failsafe implementation" would have averted stripping of the main gear or the heli coming down after stripping the main gear. I'll have to defer to your experience on that one.

They may have a tough case, but when they present the correct "facts" of the incident then compare them to what was written and reprinted in other publications...Sure makes you wonder what their agenda was...It obviously wasn't reporting the facts, more like selling sensationalism.

Toughguy? sorry, lol. I've been around here enough to know what BS smells like, and this sure has the stink.. I only want to get out the correct information where I see it's needed.

Chris D. Bergen

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