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03-08-2012 11:57 PM  6 years agoPost 1
J. Hall

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I have a Vbar question, why can't i just buy a Vbar pro version with out having to buy the Vbar express version, and then updating. I would be willing to pay the update cost to keep from trying to go through the vstabi web site to upgrade.

Jay Hall

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03-10-2012 05:01 AM  6 years agoPost 2
Band1086

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Because, in order to be more "competitive" in the market place, Mikado has elected to offer the basic version, which may be sufficient for many people, and charge only one price...the cheapest price. Probably they figure if a buyer has enough computer skill to use the full version, they also have enough to get through the simple process of downloading the Pro version into the unit from their web site.

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03-10-2012 05:06 AM  6 years agoPost 3
3dgimble

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Christ, that bar fully loaded with program screen breaks pockets. VS. BX, 3G. That 750 is sure freaking expansive to get up and flying also.

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03-10-2012 05:13 AM  6 years agoPost 4
Band1086

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But the V-Bar blows the BX and 3GX away. I've have a BX and have had the 3GX...plus the VB Pro has the unbeatable Gov feature. Well worth the money!

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03-10-2012 05:17 AM  6 years agoPost 5
3dgimble

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Oh yeah what kind of heli and flying do you do?

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03-10-2012 05:20 AM  6 years agoPost 6
T-rexn8

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Just buck up and buy the upgrade if you want the best possible V-bar firmware.

Piro consistency, flying characteristics, and ease of use is well worth it for me.

Xxtreme 800, TDR, 700E DFC, Mini Protos, T-450 DFC, Blade 130x, mcpx, nano

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03-10-2012 05:34 AM  6 years agoPost 7
cdrking

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funguy wrote:
Oh yeah what kind of heli and flying do you do?
funguy,

Band1086 is a very accomplished flyer, he is also a VERY knowledgable E-heli guy. Band has done a lot of testing/flying of different setups, therefore, IMO his knowledge is outstanding. He's also a very nice guy and willing to let me take his helis for a spin every now and then.

Jeff

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03-10-2012 05:44 AM  6 years agoPost 8
3dgimble

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Maybe it sounded a bit strong the way I asked, but what I want to know is, does he fly hardcore 3D, mild 3D or just fly around. There is a big difference, from regular flying and Hcore 3D, just want to know how hard he pushes his heli?

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03-10-2012 05:45 AM  6 years agoPost 9
Band1086

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Thanks for the kind words Jeff.
Oh yeah what kind of heli and flying do you do?
3D is my favorite style, I fly pretty hard with a combination of smack and big air, as I like both. I fly only big electrics.

1. Whiplash E, Ice2 120 Futaba CGY750.
2. TR750 E, HW120 ESC, V-Bar W/Gov.
3. TR700 E, Jive ESC, Total G.
4. TR700 E, W/YGE 16S ESC, V-Bar W/Gov.
5. IonX, HW120 ESC, V-Bar W/Gov.
6. Ion X2, Jive ESC, Total G.
7. Furion 6, Jive ESC, BeastX.

My next heli will most likely be a Diabolo with V-Bar and VB gov and possibly 16S.

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03-10-2012 06:02 AM  6 years agoPost 10
3dgimble

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Wow , quite a fleet, sweet setups too.
Reading that you have the skillz, you would be the perfect person to ask about a comparison, how do you like the VBar compared to the CGY750?

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03-10-2012 06:18 AM  6 years agoPost 11
Band1086

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They both fly excellent, as does the Total G. However, the V-Bar gov is so much better than any other gov I've ever flown that it gives a significant edge for the V-Bar system. Any one of those 3 fly better then the BX or 3GX imo. As far as set up goes, I'm not sure which I like better. With the VB, a laptop is how I prefer tweak, I have the dot matrix unit, but the LT is much nicer to use. The CGY750 has it all right on the unit which is nice, but as in Futaba tradition everything is abbreviated, which is a bit of a pita to learn and remember...

BTW, the tail on the(Whiplash) CGY750 is coupled with the BLS 256HV servo on straight 2S Lipo voltage, it may very well be the best, most solid tail I've ever flown.

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03-10-2012 07:39 AM  6 years agoPost 12
Shortman

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To expand further.. I just started using Bank switching with the VBar 5.2V Pro software.. OMG! I can fly my JR NEX E8 with precision F3C characteristics or flip a switch and go into 3D with insane cyclic all in the same flight. The amount of adjust-ability is amazing with this unit. I have a 3 position switch that has an "F3C" mode, a normal feel mode, and a 3D mode. They all have different cyclic gain, pirouette speeds, and feel.

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03-10-2012 12:01 PM  6 years agoPost 13
GetToDaChopper

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hey Band1086 have you ever flown a HeliCommand HC3-X or SX ? if so what did you think about it ?

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03-10-2012 01:30 PM  6 years agoPost 14
J. Hall

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Let me say that in no way was i being critical of Mikado. I have three Vbars and love the way they fly. My point was since I'm going to spend 365.00 anyway, why not just spend it up front? Just saying it would be nice to have that option.

Jay Hall

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03-10-2012 03:05 PM  6 years agoPost 15
unclejane

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That's a good point, actually. I understand the idea of a lower price point, but it'd also be good to be able to buy the unit with the Pro firmware already installed.

OTOH, the Express looks like plenty to just get the unit installed/setup and get the heli in the air initially. That's probably what I'll do with mine when I do finally get a machine to put it on. Debug any problems, etc., and then pay Inga her 45 big ones for Pro....

So both options would be kind of nice...

LS

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03-10-2012 04:06 PM  6 years agoPost 16
Ace Dude

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My point was since I'm going to spend 365.00 anyway, why not just spend it up front? Just saying it would be nice to have that option.
There are most likely several reasons for this.

1) Makado only has to manufacture and distribute one part versus two (express and pro). This reduces up front manufacturing costs and the hobby shops only need to stock one items versus two.

2) It allows Makado to keep tighter controls on exactly who has purchased the pro upgrade.

  

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03-10-2012 04:24 PM  6 years agoPost 17
Band1086

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have you ever flown a HeliCommand HC3-X or SX ?
No, I've never had the pleasure of trying those. The SX is $550...I suspect it would be very good, but at this point I'm not willing to spend that much just to try it out. Plus, even though I really like the TG and CGY750, The V-Bar with it's freakin' fantastic Gov feature is very hard to beat.

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03-10-2012 05:14 PM  6 years agoPost 18
GetToDaChopper

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Band1086 IYO what make a "freakin' fantastic Gov" fantastic and a good Gov just "good" ?

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03-10-2012 05:37 PM  6 years agoPost 19
Band1086

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The main difference is the VB gov is "pro active" and all the others(some are better than others) are "reactive". For instance, in idle up, when the throttle stick is moved in either direction off of center, the gov will give extra throttle in order to be ahead of anticipated loads, not exactly, by similar to revo mix on the tail. But it's not strictly a mechanical increase(like revo mix), but more intuitive like an algorithm controlling it. also, the amount of increase is fully adjustable for anticipation of both collective and cyclic loads. The gov simply does not sag off under certain conditions like all the others do, including the Jive gov and is even possible to accelerate under heavy loads if it's set up for that and sufficient power is available.

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