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03-08-2012 08:59 PM  6 years agoPost 1
mrloudly

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These beasties are flying off the shelves over here! Were showing in stock @ Fastlad today along with several other stores and went in no time!! Managed to get one from Quick UK phew :-)

What are you guys running servo wise? Thinking about Align 610's with a 650 for the tail. They've served me well in my other 700's don't see why I should change.
Maybe more controversial is V-Bar or 3GX?... Gotta say I've had fewer problems with my 3GX units, simple as well!

Any of you guys anodised the parts? Reckon gold may look good on parts?

Looking forward to another build :-)

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03-08-2012 10:07 PM  6 years agoPost 2
USNAviationjay

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not to troll..

but you are going to use bargain electronics in a 1000 dollar boutique heli?

Sorry.. but Vbar.. or BX at least..

and Torq or JR or Futaba high end servos..

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03-08-2012 10:15 PM  6 years agoPost 3
rexxigpilot

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Really, Align crap doesn't belong on this heli! Get a good FBL unit and quality servos. Go look at the formum for the GT5 FBL unit and see how many are having problems with the Align DS610 and DS650 servos. FBL units expose the low quality of those servos.

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03-08-2012 10:32 PM  6 years agoPost 4
RappyTappy

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I don't see anything wrong with the 610s? There is like a million of them at our field flying everything from electrics to nitros to FB to FBL and they all run just fine. I have had dozens of 610s and they all have worked fine. I have had 'high end' Futaba and JR servos crap out on me before, but I still wouldn't call them crap just luck of the failure percentage.

Currently using some 610's in my Logo 600 with Vbar that I previously had on a FB heli for over 200 flights and a few crashes and they are still going strong flying 3D and have less slop than 8717's I have had.

Also, I have flown friends helis on FBL with 'high end' servos and damned if I can tell the difference since they have the same specs as the 610s.

Its your money, I'm not gonna tell you how to spend it and am just discussing my experience with the 610's, but at .08 sec and 166oz/in of torque at 6 Volts is I would say thats pretty darn high performance. There is such a thing of value for performance rather than cheap, and in my experience DS610's are just that, value for performance.

To the OP, you should just go with what makes you comfortable, if the stuff in the past have served you well, then I think your experience trumps opinions.

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03-08-2012 10:42 PM  6 years agoPost 5
USNAviationjay

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Sorry Rappy but seen the exact opposite out here..
3GX failing left and right.. resetting in flight.. I removed both of mine because of all the failures I wasn't going to risk my helis any longer on them.

610s are great bargain servos... but thats what they are.. Ive seen them getting sloppy very quickly or just flat failing especially on HV setups, and there is no support for them.. you toss them in the trash when it happens.. ( and sometimes whats left of the heli too)

I use them on cheaper birds but there is no way in hell Id trust them in a TDR, Shape, or Goblin.. just too much money hanging up there on them.

Guess either way it is a crapshoot.. some have better luck with highend stuff.. others with the bargain stuff..

like Rappy said it is ultimately up to you..

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03-08-2012 10:52 PM  6 years agoPost 6
RappyTappy

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Its all a 'feeling', a placebo effect. You spend more than half the money you spent on a kit for servos it makes you feel good, but a small .02 bolt failure can kill it all. I have seen a failure on every brand, regardless of price. Just cause one spends a small fortune on something doesn't mean it isn't subject to failure just the same. I guess thats my point of thinking here. Whether you spend $70 on a servo or $170, its still 'hobby grade' equipment as such.

BUT I won't put a 650 tail servo or 3GX on my heli though! lmfao

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03-08-2012 11:03 PM  6 years agoPost 7
VKGT

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To the OP, you should just go with what makes you comfortable, if the stuff in the past have served you well, then I think your experience trumps opinions.
I do agree with Rappy Tappy. The Align 610s are good servos and are made by Savox. They may offer a better price point but you're not getting any less of a servo or lack of performance in your heli. I like them so much that I've got them in my T-Rex 700E and Fury 55. Neither of them is a boutique heli but the servos have proven to be reliable and have a reasonable cost. They've even proven to hold up exceptionally well in the Vegas summer heat.

Should they go into a SAB Goblin? I don't see why not but then again, it's personal preference and I'm not an elitist

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03-08-2012 11:28 PM  6 years agoPost 8
OICU812

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Buying a higher cost and teir heli and throwing crap in it makes ZERO sense to me...

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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03-08-2012 11:58 PM  6 years agoPost 9
Dood

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a 1000 dollar boutique heli
You're calling this a "boutique" helicopter?
Sorry, but just because the kit costs a little more than an Align helicopter doesn't make it "boutique"

You've seen pictures of thousands of kits stacked up high. They're mass-produced in Asia.

There are very few helicopter manufacturers that fall under the "boutique" classification. Neither SAB or Outrage fit in that category.

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03-09-2012 12:01 AM  6 years agoPost 10
OICU812

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I do agree with that part. Boutique would be more of a TDR, Banshee, Diabolo type heli....

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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03-09-2012 02:55 AM  6 years agoPost 11
Rsams

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I would look at the outrage servos that helidirect has right now. Sure they are about 40 dollars a servo more but they also have almost twice the torque and also can handle 8 volts which the align cant take anymore thean 6 volts. It all depends on if you want to run a lipo unregulated or not. That is what we are going to run in our synergy e7 and also when the goblin gets here. Also the gears in the outrage are coated with titanium where the align is not. Dont know if that makes a lot of difference but it sure does sound good.

Ryan,Team JR, Team Morgan Fuels, Team KDE Direct, RCBearings.com Tech Rep

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03-09-2012 04:28 AM  6 years agoPost 12
RappyTappy

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Beat me to it Dood. I wouldn't call the Goblin boutique as much as it is just new to the market. Take away the blades and the kit cost only $200 more than a Logo 600.

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03-09-2012 07:06 AM  6 years agoPost 13
mrloudly

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I've got 2 700E's a 600Pro a 550 a Vario Benzin a 700 Nitro and a all on 610's with 650 tails never had a problem from any servos. I built a Boomerang XL jet and had two new JR8411's pack up during 5hrs of flight...
http://www.servodatabase.com/servo/align/ds610
According to this the 610's have titanium gears, would stack up, I've never managed to break one LOL

Gotta be honest and say, despite others problems, I've never had a glitch on 3GX either (3G a different story...) just does what is says on the tin :-) I do have a full size V-Bar which is probably going in the Goblin though ;-)

Anyone anodising?

Cheers

Andy

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03-09-2012 02:34 PM  6 years agoPost 14
Husker

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610s are not "align crap" they are made by Savox. If the 610s are "align crap" then by the same logic the goblin is "outrage crap".

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03-09-2012 03:53 PM  6 years agoPost 15
mrloudly

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Can't be doing with this Align "Crap" thing... They're at the "Top of the hill" and as such folk will always try to knock 'em. I've had no real problems with their products but ask me about Srimok's...

What's the deal on Scorpion setups? Are they on par with Kon?

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03-09-2012 03:58 PM  6 years agoPost 16
USNAviationjay

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How many times do we have to say this to get this through your cheap dense skulls..

THE ONLY TIE BETWEEN SAB AND Outrage IS THE DISTRIBUTOR.

The deal could easily have landed at any other distributor.. But thanks to SAB Blades being distributed already though HD they had an in.

SAB is an Italian company.. Outrage a USA company.. that falls under Helidirect..

just because HD also sells Align does not mean Align is Outrage too..

People jump to alot of conclusions.. Oh well Bert and Tareq fly them.. well Bert and tareq were also flying SAB blades for a while before that.

SAB does things their way Outrage does things their way.

and to call the SAB anything other than a Boutique heli is flat misinformation as well..
It is every bit in the same league with the Shape or the TDR.

People really hate Outrage so much that they will do or say anything to discredit them.. amazing.

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03-09-2012 04:29 PM  6 years agoPost 17
NOLONGERFLYING

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Interesting how people classify what a boutique really is.

Team MyColdHardCash

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03-09-2012 04:42 PM  6 years agoPost 18
RappyTappy

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I guess Boutique is more in the eye of the beholder. At our field a Logo 500 is a boutique heli.

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03-09-2012 04:47 PM  6 years agoPost 19
USNAviationjay

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Logo 500 is about as Boutique as a Trex..

nothing special at all about them.. The Goblin and the TDR and the Shapes are far from your "ordinary helis" they are the Ferrari's compared to the Corvettes.. nothing wrong with that "vette" but when people see a Goblin or a TDR or a Shape.. everyone notices..

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03-09-2012 04:52 PM  6 years agoPost 20
VKGT

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What would you say about the Whiplash then?

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