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03-06-2012 11:56 PM  6 years agoPost 21
whiskey

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Fly one sometime and get back to me Wave
Wave

No "boutique" factor I imagine ?

Let me get on Jan's waiting list and wait several months for precious

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03-07-2012 12:11 AM  6 years agoPost 22
Wave

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I would be afraid to crash it.

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03-07-2012 01:04 AM  6 years agoPost 23
unclejane

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If you're budget conscious and parts availability are your main concerns, the humble trex 700 LE is pretty much the best option available for a 700 nitro. It's a good basic machine with not too much crappiness and in fact, very very little crappiness for a machine that costs as little as it does. I wish they'd put notches on the end of the start shafts is my only real complaint about that machine so far.

The MA whippy may be my next heli, if I don't crash my trex 700N between now and when it comes out, that is lol.... I have an OS 105 and a Vbar sitting here on my bench that gots Whippy a'written all over em....

But the nitro whippy isn't out yet, that's its only real problem so far.

I can't say much about others, tho. I'm like Santiago in that I always used to like Hirobo helis, but their parts were expensive and I think they're kind of fading away here in the US. Probably being crowded out by Align...

If I was rich enough to go boutique I'd probably do the Kasama Srimok. Holy Freaking Parts Count, Batman, but what a neato spectacular piece of engineering. I'd cry hard when I crashed it, but it sure would be a lot of fun to just sit and admire in between flights.

There are lots of other good helis I'd like to try too, like the Logo XXTreme 800, but it's electric only and I'm only doing nitro (or possibly gas) from here on out.

LS

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03-07-2012 01:24 AM  6 years agoPost 24
Santiago P

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good post LS
The best currently available? Mikado Logo helis. End.
I apologize for not mentioning Mikado. Add those sweet Logos and the Kasama Srimok to my " status " and "absolutely no value" -->according to Wave, list of helicopters.

LOL

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03-07-2012 01:32 AM  6 years agoPost 25
whiskey

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I guess I bought my Tdr, goblin, logo and 2 srimoks to look cool
While I'm flying by myself most days

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03-07-2012 06:27 AM  6 years agoPost 26
lankford

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I bought my srimok classic because i thought it was an absolute work of art. Still do. I guess that would be considered boutique..
What i realized after i built it was that it flew amazingly well!! Better and faster than all my other helis so does that make it not boutique anylonger???

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03-07-2012 09:54 AM  6 years agoPost 27
thefrog

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I bought my srimok classic because i thought it was an absolute work of art. Still do. I guess that would be considered boutique..
What i realized after i built it was that it flew amazingly well!! Better and faster than all my other helis so does that make it not boutique anylonger???
I have to agree - the Srimok looks amazing and flies even better. I've crashed mine and it crashes surprisingly well - the airframe is incredibly strong.

Recently I bought a Logo 500SE and it's been trouble - I just can't get the tail to work. I dropped the airframe off at my Mikado dealer this morning, regretting I didn't import another Kasama instead.

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03-07-2012 09:54 AM  6 years agoPost 28
whiskey

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I love my srimoks
They are great to fly and look at. Win win!

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03-07-2012 02:55 PM  6 years agoPost 29
Santiago P

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My Diabolo is based on the Joker which is a true work horse, and build like a tank. Engneering wise is a true beauty, and oh my gad they can fly so fast on little power.

Again, nothing wrong with the Whippies, 7HV, E6-7; but the engineering in this so called "boutique" machines is just phenomenal.
Even the Logos with almost no metal or carbon are truly better engineered than all the other made in China supermarket helis and knock offs.

For anyone that is ever just curious about these models, take a really close look. They are not just pretty sitting there, they are true freaks in the air.
No, they are not for everyone, but true to their value and enjoyment.

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03-07-2012 05:19 PM  6 years agoPost 30
OICU812

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Just wait the Logo 700 will pretty much end all this senseless debate.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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03-07-2012 06:02 PM  6 years agoPost 31
shawmcky

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jgunpilot +1

Team- unbiased opinion.K.I.S.S principle upheld here

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03-10-2012 10:48 AM  6 years agoPost 32
joeskeeter

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Yup we all fly helis because of the simplicity and lack of a challenge. We all secretly wish are helis had self leveling autopilots with GPS.

Paradigm shift indeed.

Certainly neat toys for those who want instant gratification, but for some of us, nothing more than a curiosity.
Are you that obtuse?

I never implied that all heli fliers want "self leveling autopilots and GPS".

I made a reasonable conclusion, that, our spending on rc helis and quadcopters has resulted in, and supported, the development and interest in rc helis and quads/multis for other non hobby related uses.

Skill is required to successfully deploy,UAV helis/quads/multis, as the thread that I started, concludes. Link below.
https://rc.runryder.com/t687700p1/

Last paragraph, I have to agree with somewhat.
What's the problem with instant gratification anyhow? Life is not infinite, so why not have it now?
They are toys, but they are really neat, to me anyhow.
My path to being able to fly an rc heli with some skill has been a long one.
Six months on sim, another few months reading and learning how to set-up a heli. Then the inevitable crash-cry-rebuild-crash-cry cycle.
More practicing on sim, more frustration, break from the hobby(almost 4 years) come back and try again.

BTW, it was difficult to reply to, and rebut your post. Your use of, incomplete sentences and sarcasm didn't go unnoticed, though.

Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face - Mike Tyson

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03-10-2012 01:36 PM  6 years agoPost 33
Wave

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I made a reasonable conclusion, that, our spending on rc helis and quadcopters has resulted in, and supported, the development and interest in rc helis and quads/multis for other non hobby related uses.
Actually you said
But really, the quads and multis are
what's going to be hot, here's THE paradigm shift.
A paradigm shift implies a revolution, or transformation, or a fundamental shift in thinking.

NONE of that applies to how quadcopters are affecting RC helis. Quadcopters have simply emerged as a niche within the hobby.
I never implied that all heli fliers want "self leveling autopilots and GPS".
No you did not...but most all Quad fliers want these features.
Skill is required to successfully deploy,UAV helis/quads/multis, as the thread that I started, concludes.
I disagree...anyone with some basic technical competence as well as the ability to utilize a Google search could ( given the financial resources ) deploy a UAV of moderate complexity. A lot of the stuff is rapidly becoming plug and play.

Which brings me to the instant gratification point.

Believe it or not some of us equate instant gratification with a lack of a challenge. If something is easy and does not require an effort to master then it will not hold our attention for very long.

It will get tossed to the side with the stamp collecting and basket weaving stuff.

That said, the quads and multi's certainly do represent a money making opportunity because of the fact they are easy for the average Joe to deploy. The only thing required is the financial resources.

In the near term however they will not garner substantial sales due to the fact that they incorporate mutiple motors and significant electronics which make them cost prohibitive for the masses.

Tools for professionals...certainly. Toys for the masses...not anytime soon.

Paradigm shift...gimme a break.

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03-10-2012 01:40 PM  6 years agoPost 34
patriot21

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It's still the Raptor 50.....

My Sponsor:VISA

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03-10-2012 01:46 PM  6 years agoPost 35
Wave

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It's still the Raptor 50.....
LOL

The more things change the more they stay the same.

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03-10-2012 02:51 PM  6 years agoPost 36
unclejane

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Which brings me to the instant gratification point.

Believe it or not some of us equate instant gratification with a lack of a challenge. If something is easy and does not require an effort to master then it will not hold our attention for very long.
On the other hand, if it's too difficult or tedious, the same thing may happen. Here, the problem might be with the "challenge" itself and not with the "challengee".

The main problem with this attitude is that it overlooks opportunities for improving the experience of the "challenge". If it is simply insisted that it just _has_ to hard to do and "easy" = "bad", advancements that increase utility and convenience are less likely to appear.

If your helicopter is a pain in the a$$ to deal with, it's just as likely to be tossed aside as something else that's not "challenging" enough.

This is my quarrel with electric, for example. It's a lot more of a "challenge" to fly regularly because it's so much less convenient to bring to the field and fly (all the support equipment for the batts, etc). That's not my failing to embrace a "challenge", it's simply because of the misery of dealing with the batteries. My nitros only require the fuel jug, which is actually lighter on the trip home So the nitro gets most of the flying time.

So, no, the anti "instant gratification" idea isn't airtight (and I'm glad not everyone thinks that way). A lot of our technological advances grew out of the desire to make certain things easier and less painful to do (including flying airplanes and helis)...

LS

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03-10-2012 03:06 PM  6 years agoPost 37
Wave

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This is my quarrel with electric, for example. It's a lot more of a "challenge" to fly regularly because it's so much less convenient to bring to the field and fly (all the support equipment for the batts, etc).

Too funny.

You could teach the old school nitro heli guys at my field a thing or two.

They usually have a full toolbox plus substantial support equipment, and tables, chairs, cooler, etc. The only thing they are usually missing is a microwave oven.

Then I walk up with my heli in one hand and rx case with lipo's in the other hand.

1 hour later I'm off to get other things done with my day, after having got my heli fix in with minimal drama.

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03-10-2012 03:11 PM  6 years agoPost 38
unclejane

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You could teach the old school nitro heli guys at my field a thing or two.

They usually have a full toolbox plus substantial support equipment, and tables, chairs, cooler, etc. The only thing they are usually missing is a microwave oven.

Then I walk up with my heli in one hand and rx case with lipo's in the other hand.

1 hour later I'm off to get other things done with my day, after having got my heli fix in with minimal drama.
You're actually describing me and my evil E-flying twin. With my E, I'm the first guy missing only the microwave oven, but with my nitro I'm that other one: a heli, a flight box and a jug of fuel.

I have a lot more fun as the second guy.

LS

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03-10-2012 03:14 PM  6 years agoPost 39
Wave

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03-11-2012 11:46 AM  6 years agoPost 40
joeskeeter

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A paradigm shift implies a revolution, or transformation, or a fundamental shift in thinking.
The fundamental shift in thinking, is a toy being used as a surveillance vehicle, a monitoring vehicle and a weapon. There are larger quads that are able to carry a weapon. That is the paradigm shift, a change in perception, a fundamental change, a toy being used in an all together different capacity.
Narrow viewpoints have existed for quite some time, as the following quote would indicate. There are a lot more.
I will ignore all ideas for new works and engines of war, the invention of which has reached its limits and for whose improvement I see no further hope.
— Julius Frontinus, chief military engineer to the Emperor Vespasian, c. CE 70.

Skill is required to successfully deploy,UAV helis/quads/multis, as the thread that I started, concludes.
I disagree...anyone with some basic technical competence as well as the ability to utilize a Google search could ( given the financial resources ) deploy a UAV of moderate complexity. A lot of the stuff is rapidly becoming plug and play.
Plug and play?

Taken from the article,to which I placed a link in my post.
The Montgomery County Sheriff's Office has been testing $300,000 ShadowHawk helicopter drones, which were paid for by grants from the Dept. of Homeland Security.
The drone – larger than the Wasp and capable of being armed with shotgun shells as well as the cameras the test drone carried – lost radio contact with the controller when it was 18 feet off the ground.
The ShadowHawk should be plug and play for $300,000 plus.
Loss of radio contact.
The article mentions that there are other departments experiencing difficulty in even deploying, self leveling, GPS directed quads.
It seems that the quads are having trouble flying in the high winds of Texas.
Your quote
anyone with some basic technical competence could deploy a drone.
Let me borrow one of your helis and I'll ask a local police officer to fly it. I'll choose him/her at random.
Lets test your theory, with your stuff, or, if anybody else wants to send me their helis/quads/UAVs, I'll email you my address and film the first flight.

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