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03-06-2012 02:25 AM  6 years agoPost 1
2kwik2c

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I just went over Black products website and saw the new Blackshark fuse for the Trex 700E F3C model. They all look very good and I like the different color designs on their fuse. I also saw a couple of photos where Hashimoto-san is test flying the 700E with the Blackshark fuse. I check the Google translator to see what's going on, but the grammars from the translation is mixed up and confusing. It mentioned something about Align competing for this year's F3C.

My question: Is Hashimoto-san going to compete with an Align platform for AOCC/F3C instead of Hirobo. Is he working for Align now or is he a technical adviser only and is assisting Align with the Blackshark products?

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03-06-2012 03:39 AM  6 years agoPost 2
Dr.Ben

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Hashimoto no longer works for or flies for Hirobo.

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03-06-2012 04:36 AM  6 years agoPost 3
2kwik2c

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So who will be flying Hirobo for the next precision flying events like AOCC and F3C? Please don't tell me Hirobo will end up the next Kyosho incident where they dropped their Heli line.

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03-06-2012 04:46 AM  6 years agoPost 4
Santiago P

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Hashimoto no longer works for or flies for Hirobo.
Bummer!

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03-06-2012 05:43 AM  6 years agoPost 5
Dr.Ben

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I would not use Hashimoto's departure as an omen for bad things to come for Hirobo.

I repeat. I would not read anything in particular into his departure. Hirobo has many other pilots both in Japan and across the globe.

Time marches on, and someone would have had to come along shortly to fill his shoes.

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03-06-2012 06:21 AM  6 years agoPost 6
GootyS

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I saw the pics with Hashimoto looking at the Align and Blackshark stuff. Align would be clever to get him on board, he has a wealth of knowledge in this Sport.

I wonder if HIrobo will get Sawamura to fly their Equipment. I know the Japanese have good ethics in the sense they will not steal a pilot from another manufacturer. Sawamura flies Kyosho so it would have to be his choice in the end.

Ennio Graber is also a great replacement and so is Dominik.

Any thoughts Dr Ben?

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03-06-2012 10:42 AM  6 years agoPost 7
synodontis

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when you say Hashimoto doesn't work for Hirobo anymore do you also mean his mentor Kurogawa too? Kurogawa has always been an outside consultant for as long as I know and I suppose that's what gives him the right to give license to the Blackshark 3 to Align.

I got to admit, I don't like Align. I don't like the quality and I don't like the design, but they do fly OK. And the electric 700 would probably go in leaps and bounds if they had someone like Kurogawa or Hashimoto influencing its evolution.

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03-06-2012 12:43 PM  6 years agoPost 8
Dr.Ben

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I can only speak with certainty about Hashimoto's status.

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03-06-2012 01:58 PM  6 years agoPost 9
2kwik2c

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It's good to hear that Hirobo will be around even though Hashimoto has moved on. I'm just shock to find out that Hashimoto no longer works and flies for Hirobo. He's been flying with them for quite awhile now. I'm used to hearing American pilots change sponsor or companies they work for every so often, so that does not surprise me.

I was hoping Hashimoto will still be with Hirobo, but I guess he needs to move on to newer pastures just like everyone does. I'm not disappointed nor think that Hashimoto has betrayed all Hirobo enthusiast. We don't know what transpired. So therefore I want congratulate him and wish him luck on his new endeavor. It'll be interesting to see future F3C helicopter kits from Align now that they're both on board.

As what synodontis mentioned, Kurogawa is the consultant for Hirobo. Doesn't he also assist in the R&D for new Hirobo parts and products? Now that Kurogawa and Hashimoto has moved on with Align, do you think Hirobo will probably look up to Tamiya or Thunder Tiger for R&D and other technical advise? So far Hirobo has been doing joint ventures/projects with them.

Here's a video of Hashimoto test flying the Trex700E with Blackshark III fuse.

Watch at YouTube

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03-06-2012 06:09 PM  6 years agoPost 10
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It will be interesting to see the effect of Kurokawa having his hands on that model over time, because that sounds nothing like his E3 EP's used to. It's fast, but it doesn't sound like his usual Rolex. Of course, it's not in the same league in terms of quality, either.

I also want to see If he will choose long term to fly the Align electronics. Align is pretty particular about their team pilots using their electronics.

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03-16-2012 06:33 AM  6 years agoPost 11
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Whaaaaat...Hirobo looking up to thundertiger for R&D? You must be kidding right?? I can stomach Hashimoto moving to Align but not this...lols

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03-16-2012 06:49 AM  6 years agoPost 12
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i Hope this is not the end of good things to come from Hirobo. they need someone that understands head development etc. They have to keep bettering themselves.

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03-16-2012 01:21 PM  6 years agoPost 13
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new pilots...
I think it will be interesting to see Hiroki Ito to fly for Hirobo!

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03-16-2012 02:34 PM  6 years agoPost 14
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New pilots...

I think it will be interesting to see Hiroki Ito to fly for Hirobo!
It's funny you mentioned that. I was thinking of the same thing.

Here are photos I downloaded from Black-pro.net 2 years ago.

It's Hiroki Ito test flying the Eagle 3 AOCC EP. It'll be really nice to see him compete with a Hirobo this time around.

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03-16-2012 04:09 PM  6 years agoPost 15
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Yeah..saw those in their gallery. Ito is so much better f3c and 3d pilot. To say he is an all rounder pilot would not paint a clearer pic of how smooth and awesomeness when he execute all those aeros and hover manoeuvres! Especially when u noticed that those two guide flags were heavily battered from strong winds!

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03-17-2012 09:30 PM  6 years agoPost 16
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Ito stays with JR, and, AFAIK he is now working for them. So sorry Hirobo

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03-18-2012 02:15 AM  6 years agoPost 17
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Yeah, I'm not sure why anyone thought he had changed. He graduated from college with an engineering degree and went to work for JR. Note to young guys here in the US: Ito is one of the best pilots to ever hold a transmitter AND he has his college education.

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03-18-2012 12:32 PM  6 years agoPost 18
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I would be willing to bet there was a nice big $$$ package that helped to bring him over to Align. I would also be willing to bet that Align has larger financial resources than Hirobo as well. In the end it's all about $ for most of these situations. Look how far Align has come in the short time that has passed. They have their eyes on being the leader in the market if not already and nothing is standing in their way. Now they have the contest end of it too.

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05-04-2012 04:14 PM  6 years agoPost 19
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From the outside looking in, I think Hirobo is lagging in terms of developing their products and being pliable to the dynamic changes in the RC heli scene.

For one, they released their Embla 450 when the 450 craze is seemingly in a lull as of the moment. Pros, and talented pilots are always preferring to fly 90-size machines. So what's left? The beginners. That's another dilemma: 450's are crash magnets for such flyers, so where do they go to for cheap practice machines? Yep, the Align 450's.

Second, almost all the major RC heli companies are adapting to the electric heli boom with all of them releasing cool new 90-size electrics with wonderful FBL designs: Compass, Synergy, SAB, Gaui, Thunder Tiger, Miniature Aircraft, Mikado and even Hirobo's compatriot and arch-nemesis: JR. So uh, where's the Turbulence D3E?

Thirdly, they really have to adapt in terms of pricing. Almost all of the formerly "high end, boutique RC heli manufacturers" like Miniature Aircraft, Avant, Mikado and JR have adapted and went down with their pricing. A Turbulence D3 EX (flybar) bare bones kit still costs upwards of $2000. Mikado's XXtreme Combo will come in at $2500.

Just look at the 2012 3D Masters entrants: http://3dmasters.org.uk/2012Entrants.htm

Sad to see not a single Hirobo in the Masters Class, when they used to be on the No. 1 spot!

I'm a big Hirobo fan, growing up gawking at their helis when I was a boy. They were the pioneers in this industry for cryin' out loud. Nothing beat 'em in terms of quality and engineering precision. But I guess the trends are changing. Time for the giant to wake up and put up a fight once more.

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05-05-2012 10:39 AM  6 years agoPost 20
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Note to young guys here in the US: Ito is one of the best pilots to ever hold a transmitter AND he has his college education.
Just like Bobby Watts

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