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03-02-2012 03:04 AM  9 years ago
RCSavager

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Yeah, and in my example one is a sports car and the other is public transporation. The OP asked what folks thought. I said what I thought. Dave Dahl can go fly whatever he wants and talk all about it in another forum section. In this wing it's a TDR camp. And nobody will ever say an Extreme can do something the TDR can't. Let's see that bus go 150+mph and then you can pound on your Mikado manual upon a tall soapbox.

Now, with that said, we have a Logo6003D in the other room and it rocks. But it was an apple-to-oranges (or Bugatti-to-Bus) comparison and that's how I called it.
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03-02-2012 06:28 AM  9 years ago
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Hey guys, I pulled a joke, don't get excited!!! I like Rob's sense of humor hehehe F350... I by no means think the XX is a bus. The Lambo to Bentley analogy, that was good!!!

However, please allow us to gloat on our own forum section. Here we can laugh a bit at the pretension to compare the TDR to the XX, it's a really strange comparison so we keep it "not serious".

And please, let's be honest, for the time being, the king of the sky is some 700 heli, don't know if the TDR, but a 700 for sure. Even the Logo 600 could maybe claim the spot. Many 700s and the Logo 600 have impressive power, precision, smoothness, reliability and put really impressive flights. The XX has to prove itself yet. I bet it will claim the top spot in a few months.

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03-02-2012 01:55 PM  9 years ago
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The pig can prove some mileage while they're at it. I don't want to step on anyone's toes honest. I'm just saying if folks want to hold Dave Dahl on their shoulders and chant XXTreme songs in harmony there is a section for that. Gladly it's not here. Henseleit owners are a different class of both heli and pilot. Some guys have both, some don't. Some only have one or the other. But honestly, if you want to keep the Henseleit section fun and enjoyable why are we talking about Miikado bird over here and getting butt-hurt when someone doesn't like that UGLY 800 Mikado just released.

If you have a TDR and a XXtreme then my apologies for my comments. I promise not to come over to your Mikado section and tell you how good my TDR is.
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03-02-2012 03:38 PM  9 years ago
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I haven't had this problem with my TDR
going above 1800 will just disappoint you as in the end of the flight there will be a notable dropoff in head speed. (which some have noticed already)
So, stay within Mikados recommendation.
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03-02-2012 03:49 PM  9 years ago
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Cool your jets buddy lol. He was comparing flight characteristics of one to the other which is just wrong they are to different machines entirely. We all love our TDR's as far as 700's go TDR wins hands down imo. No need to get all hostile LOL...
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03-02-2012 04:22 PM  9 years ago
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WHEW!!! I thought I was in the wrong forum for a minute.

No love lost here brothers. I love my bird and respect several others (including Mikado's) so I hate to sound like a soapboxer. I couldn't resist the school bus crack though. I mean COME ON!! If you had that image in your mind could you NOT post it? I laughed for 10 minutes on that thread and giggled for another 20 after.

Don't get me wrong guys, I know I sound harsh but there's not a good connection between my thoughts and a keyboard all the time. My apologies for that, seriously.

I just couldn't sit back quietly that long. I tried not to post to the thread, really I did.

All good guys, fly em and have a ball. Feel free to take some of our Henseleit love and share it with the Mikado guys and see if their forum can be as kool as ours. But don't bring that "Dahl for President" stuff here. Far as I know he's said exactly zero about the TDR. His son's sponsorship is a PERFECT excuse for that. But at the end of the day, in the TDR world, he's a nobody. (Still love you though Dave!) And we have to love Mikado because we use their VBar. So we really CAN'T say anything bad about them (or their stuff) at all because 90% of us run a Mikado product in our TDRs.

I was never mad, riled, or anything much more than razzing folks. Sorry if it sounded like I was on the hunt for fresh meat. I've got more caffeine in me now, I'm good for the day.

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03-02-2012 04:25 PM  9 years ago
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I haven't had this problem with my TDR
going above 1800 will just disappoint you as in the end of the flight there will be a notable dropoff in head speed. (which some have noticed already)
So, stay within Mikados recommendation.
The equivalent would be something like 2100 or 2200 on your TDR. yes after 4 minutes your batteries will be toast.
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03-02-2012 04:27 PM  9 years ago
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Mine is set at 1960rpm and I can't even image what it'd be like at 2200. Good God anybody who can hold on to that puppy is my new American Idol. Once you try steak, is hard to go back to hotdogs.
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03-02-2012 04:27 PM  9 years ago
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Your funny.... but I must defend my good friend Dave Dahl. All I was saying was people kept trying to compare the XX to everything under the sun and he kept having to remind people there is no other 3D 800 out there to have a fair comparison to that's all...Team MikadoUSA Team Scorpion
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03-02-2012 07:54 PM  9 years ago
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The Lambo to Bentley analogy, that was good!!!
I know my cars, and helis.

The Xxtreme is by no mean a bus.
My favorite between the two is the speedy TDR, (although my real favorite sit at home right now) but I would not mind flaunting around a big Bentley, or an Xxtreme

The green bus pic was definitely a hilarious punchline.

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03-02-2012 08:01 PM  9 years ago
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Santiago your more than welcome to fly my XX at IRCHA this year. What class would XX be in for the speedcup? I have some ideas to try to get the beast to go fast I will PM you anout it. I know it wont beat my TDR but will be fun to do.Team MikadoUSA Team Scorpion
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03-02-2012 08:03 PM  9 years ago
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I'll play fair. We'll call it a fat, classy Bentley. I'm cool with that. It does have that finely crafted look to some of its setup. But I wouldn't go ripping down the drag strip with it. But you'd sure turn heads at the club pulling up in either. So at least we're talking real comparisons here and not another N vs E turnout. Had to put the brakes on that pileup.

Hell yeah I'd fly an XXtreme but I wouldn't sell my TDR to do it. If I had another $4000 to toss at a heli I'd consider it at least. It is one of a kind right now. I'm choosing to let the market sort out the new size over a year or so. Then I'll start shopping around. And I'm not typical it seems. Most of the online guys I know ran like hell to ReadyHeli to put in an order. So that says something right there.

In the end, I'm just one guy with a voice. By no means the only one in the choir.
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03-02-2012 08:06 PM  9 years ago
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I'm pretty sure it will be faster without the canopy

I talked to Santiago and we can fly them in the stock 12s class as long as it is stock.

Rob
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03-02-2012 08:10 PM  9 years ago
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Man, if you could make a streamlined canopy for that it could be stellar. I'm dying to see what you guys come up with. Once you try steak, is hard to go back to hotdogs.
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03-02-2012 08:36 PM  9 years ago
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Santiago your more than welcome to fly my XX at IRCHA this year. What class would XX be in for the speedcup? I have some ideas to try to get the beast to go fast I will PM you anout it. I know it wont beat my TDR but will be fun to do.
I have to rethink that because it is unfair to classify it unlimited because of the power to weight or disk size ratio.

In IC you can have a V8 wedge in a Trex and be stock class.

I need to add a disk size to WATTS available ratio to more appropriately classify the entries.

But if you add a non-stock streamlined canopy, you are in unlimited.

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03-02-2012 09:40 PM  9 years ago
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hmm, i wonder why the canopy is so bulbous, i never saw the exxtreme from that persepective before, i wonder whey they didn't go with a more streamlined canopy that hugged the frames, or if they wanted that size canopy, open the frames up a bit to gain some torsional stiffness. Maybe someone will come out with a slimmer canopy.

And i was thinking, part prices are pretty darn low. German labor isn not inexpensive, nor is material. I'd be willing to bet they are making parts for even money right now, also the kits. If so its not a bad strategy, as it helps sales, keeps the Mikado name fresh on everyones lips as its more affordable, and i think when they saw the overall division in thought on the exxtreme (some love it, some hate it, many think its not worth the $$$) they decided they better make it more marketable. I've never seen a heli released with so much discussion, and honestly so much negative feedback before the release. There was also positive feedback, you just generally don't see as many folks like myself, who i fancy even minded, willing to spend good money on my hobby items (i do have a tdr after all) looking at the exxtreme and saying "its cool, very big, but other than that, it flies okay, doesn't seem to have great power, short run times, general lack of different motor/esc combos, and is very expensive. I could put together two TDR's nicely when you throw batteries for each into the equation. Just my thoughts. I'm still interested to see how it pans out. I really think for one thing though that the exxtreme needs 16S or more to really perform. When Dave Dahl said that 12S was lethargic, and 14S was better, its kind of like saying for a 600 that 6S is lethargic and 8S is better. it is, but marginally better, 10S is the modern day minimum for good power, and many run 12S. I think the exxtreme would excel on 18-20S, which would actually work nice as you could go to a 18S 4000 pack and use three standard 6S 4000 packs in series (which many folks have) or 4 5S 3700 packs. These coudl all be charged on standard 6s chargers in parallel, and flight packs would be roughly $180 and the increased voltage would mean you wouldn't need 45-65C packs (that said, i've found gens ace to compete well with TP 45C packs)
http://www.hobbypartz.com/98p-25c-4000-6s1p.html

just my thoughts. sorry for the novel
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03-02-2012 10:04 PM  9 years ago
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I've seen your flight video on the xxtreme. Perhaps some comments here compared to TDR as you've flown both too.
I actually prefer it over the TDR... It is extremely precise and the size makes it very nice to fly big 3D. It does not get as much flight time as my TDR but mine is setup at least flip/roll wise to be just as fast as my TDR. I will be missing my TDR at the Ircha Speed Cup this year when I bring this DOG! Mikado still has a few things to work out but I'm pretty confident that they will get it straightened out..

The TDR could possibly be the best machine out there to suit any flying style, fast or slow, low or high, 3d or circles

Rob
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03-03-2012 01:48 AM  9 years ago
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MMC, check the main gear in Rob's picture, it reaches almost to the canopy posts. It's a regular heli with wide main gear, not a double stage design like the TDR. That and the lipos side by side are what make the canopy so big, or wide at least.

Me and my conspiracy paranoid mind believe we TDR owners might be seen as prime candidates to become XX customers.
- Dave D himself came into the TDR forums to check on the final cost of a TDR to market the XX as a "it's not so expensive after all, the bare kit is in the price range of a TDR and it's an 800!!".

- After that we have these XX vs TDR threads on both forum sites posted on the TDR subs, not the Mikado ones.

- A parachuting comment on a "Show your TDR" thread saying "you TDR owners are loaded". Marketing wise that appeals to our egos. Could be pure guerrilla marketing, not joking.

Maybe it's all just coincidence, who knows.

Marcos
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03-03-2012 02:51 AM  9 years ago
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Interesting points Marcos, didn't think of it that way, but looking back you seem to be right.***Logo 600 vbar***Henseleit TDR vbar***
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03-03-2012 02:56 AM  9 years ago
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Interesting.....

very interesting perspective indeed

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It's an inside look at the true face of the Helimasons. (couldn't hold that one in)
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