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03-01-2012 06:31 PM  9 years ago
dela

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Rafael23cc

I agree with almost everything you said. Especially:

"A technique used in the dark ages of helicopter development that proved to be somewhat effective, but the risk of damaging the helicopter and injuring someone around the helicopter outweight the usefulness of the technique."

I last used my test stand in 1999, when I was new to the hobby, and help was hard to find. Ray's book told me it was OK. I mainly used it to set the needle valves, when all I could do was hover. Never had a problem. Won't do it again because there is no need.

What has changed since then? Back then, there were relatively few heli pilots available to help a newbee. I didn't know of anyone in my area who flew them. Ray's book and runryder were all I knew about.

Now, there are plenty of people available to help most heli newbees.

One slight disagreement; there is no reason the stand MUST be dangerous to people. Used properly, no one is at risk .. not even the operator.
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03-01-2012 08:27 PM  9 years ago
GetToDaChopper

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What is wrong with just asking someone with more experience than you to test fly the thing? Why are we even discussing this? How many of you continually have to use a similar technique to "test" your helis? When are you going to outgrow it?

I will admit it, I did use the technique back in the day for my first heli. Now it is just a test flight and be done with it. I'm confident in my building / flying skills.
I'm sorry but posts like this just strike me as a little condescending, it makes a lot of assumptions like the person being talked about has little or no "experience" or that this person "needs" someone to test fly his heli because he can't, the person "has to use a similar technique" to test a heli, this person has no "confidence" in his "building / flying skills", this person should "ask" for help because he must not know what he is doing and most of all that they are right there for the other person must be wrong.

i see posts like this all the time where people talk down at other people and make a lot of assumptions if there vue on how something could or should be done is diff then there opinion.

idk maybe it's just me.......

just remember....

It's not given to people to judge what's right or wrong. People have eternally been mistaken and will be mistaken, and in nothing more than in what they consider right and wrong
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03-01-2012 10:41 PM  9 years ago
Rafael23cc

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GetToDaChopper
I'm sorry but posts like this just strike me as a little condescending, it makes a lot of assumptions.......
In my 20+ years of experience, I have concluded that only newbies use the technique, and it is because they read it in a book. I can name two of those books, because I read one of them and that is what made me do it in the first place back in 1989.

If you still use the technique, and my assumptions are way off, please list the benefits to strapping a helicopter down to test settings.

And yes, I've been called condecending before. Does not bother me none.
wc_wickedclown
..... and a walkera cant hurt anyone.
Yep, electrics can't hurt anyone. Keep sleeping on that side......

Rafael
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03-01-2012 10:59 PM  9 years ago
BladeStrikes

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wc_wickedclown
but i have to admit i did put a small walkera on the lazy susan to check tail drift and tail hold before we hovered the heli and it was at low rpm and a walkera cant hurt anyone.
One day you'll stop with the know it all bad advice when some poor kid gets hurt or killed because of you..So you know being as you clearly don't,heres my hand after my small heli hit it after loosing headspeed .Small helis can't hurt anyone ,stop giving advice and take it before its too late ...

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03-02-2012 12:05 AM  9 years ago
GetToDaChopper

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And yes, I've been called condecending before. Does not bother me none.
your first name wouldn't happen to be "sheldon" would it ? lol
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03-02-2012 12:27 AM  9 years ago
BobOD

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Ouch...gotcha in a bad spot there. I hope that healed up well for you. Thanks for the wake up call Bladestrikes.

Yes, we do need to have our respect for these things for sure.
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03-02-2012 02:46 AM  9 years ago
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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Rafael23cc
wc_wickedclown
..... and a walkera cant hurt anyone.
Yep, electrics can't hurt anyone. Keep sleeping on that side......
i can catch a walkera in mid air by the blades with my teeth the blades are made of plastic.

i have a video where a benched trex 450 tail blade hit my fingers didnt even leave a scratch so much for those stitches picture lol
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03-02-2012 04:10 AM  9 years ago
filou406

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2 years ago, a friend of mine had his 2 eyes cut by a Walkera blade in his living room. After 1 year of multiple surgerys he finaly lost both his eyes. You can imagine how his life has changed, he has lost his job and now he has all the time he wants to think about the huge mistake he did this Sunday afternoon. So please do not think that because it is small it is not dangerous, maybe it can not kill you but it can kill your life.
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03-02-2012 04:43 AM  9 years ago
3dgimble

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Wow, that is scary, thank you for that wake up call "filou406" we all need one every now and then. I hope your hand heals the way you want it to their guy.
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03-02-2012 04:50 AM  9 years ago
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i can catch a walkera in mid air by the blades with my teeth the blades are made of plastic.

i have a video where a benched trex 450 tail blade hit my fingers didnt even leave a scratch so much for those stitches picture lol
Give Lon a big kiss and make up.

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03-02-2012 04:59 AM  9 years ago
Hughes500Pilot

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Here is a very good example of what you should do if ground resonance developes. The helicopter comes in for a landing and then begins to shake. The pilot immediately adds power and lifts off. Problem solved. -Steve

Watch at YouTube

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03-02-2012 05:00 AM  9 years ago
BladeStrikes

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NVM,
You can't tell someone anything that already knows it all..
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03-02-2012 05:20 AM  9 years ago
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Safty first. I watched my son flying this and catching it. I had him stop and went to the garage and got him a pair of safty glasses and told him now he could continue with his fun. It may surprise you but my son thanked me for thinking of his safty and letting him use a pair of my safty glasses.
When I am in the garage running a dremel or other equipment he always wears them. Personally I have been to the emergency room once having metal slivers removed from the edge of my eye lid which scratched my eye, yes I was wearing safty glasses. Safty glasses doen't work in all senerios.
Anyway, we have a 100% unsafe hobby and all precautions for safty should be thought of.
You can't control or know the tinsle strength of every bolt or screw on your heli. I have seen feathering shaft screws let loose.
Just remember, Be as Safe as you can.
Friends don't encourage friends to fly helis! It can cause part shortages.
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03-02-2012 05:44 AM  9 years ago
Stephen Born

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Lon, I remember when your 450 hit you a couple of months ago. You thought you fractured some metacarpels. Are the pictures above from this incident?
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03-02-2012 06:12 AM  9 years ago
3dgimble

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I usually don't like to cross threads but who is the worst influence on inexperience pilots, stupid pilots, is it this guy;

Watch at YouTube




or this guy?


Watch at YouTube

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03-02-2012 06:35 AM  9 years ago
Stephen Born

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I usually don't like to cross threads but who is the worst influence on inexperience pilots, stupid pilots, is it this guy;
Huh?
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03-02-2012 06:56 AM  9 years ago
BladeStrikes

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Yeah hand is 100% better.
Nicked the tendon and that was close to half headspeed,clown is clueless about these "small" helis ..
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03-02-2012 07:21 AM  9 years ago
MichiganFlyer

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Don't put Nick into this. He is a World Class Pro. By putting him into this you are also adding every video of a pro doing indoor funflys and showing there skills. Wreckless and proffessional are 2 different things. Doen't mix them.Friends don't encourage friends to fly helis! It can cause part shortages.
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03-02-2012 07:34 AM  9 years ago
3dgimble

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What kind of blades were they carbon, glass, did they splinter?
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03-02-2012 07:41 AM  9 years ago
MichiganFlyer

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funguy you're not. This is not a joking subject.Friends don't encourage friends to fly helis! It can cause part shortages.
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