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02-27-2012 07:12 PM  9 years ago
Band1086

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So, are you saying the only thing the N's have over the E's is more flight time?
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02-27-2012 07:39 PM  9 years ago
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BUT I GUARANTEE he won't get as much flight time
Agreed. What would you say is appropriate? 7 minutes? 8 minutes? I've seen it reported that he's running 1650 on that machine (hence the accurate description of slow turd), so maybe 1750 for an 8 minute flight sound reasonable? That guy can do almost any trick in the book, but at 1650, anything, especially the low torque nitro will be a slow turd. Someone also mentioned that he didn't even load the head in that vid. I actually find it impressive that anyone can do what he was doing without loading a 1650 rpm head.
High Voltage just works better
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02-27-2012 07:40 PM  9 years ago
1tonv

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If u read this total thread yes that's been my point from the start. Yes electrics have amazing power but itdepletes as u get in final minutes if flight as the batteries get drained. Now with nitro don't have the power as electric but its power is the same the total flight. Those are just some pros and cons of the two. But I love more flight time as more time in the air equals more practice. With my electrics just as I'm getting lose and into a flight I have to land a change packs. Takes me outta the zone
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02-27-2012 07:49 PM  9 years ago
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When I made the switch to electrics I wanted three things.Consistent power through the whole flight,same flight time as my 600LE with OS 55 and close to the same power.Built my 12S 600E and got more than I wanted and STILL have room for more power and flight time.Right now I can get 6:30 mins of flight time and clearly it makes more power than a 600N all day long.This is with a crappy Align motor with a shot upper bearing so really im loosing power and flight time ..
For the record,these pack's are over 2 year's old and have about 300 cycles on them now ..
Stright tictocs for a whole 1:30 mins stright..People say if you do consistent tictocs,it drains the pack's fast but I found out that's not the case when your heli is setup right.Watch the video from 1:09 to 2:39,1:30 min's stright and did some climbing lol.

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I had this same motor in another heli before this one.I already knew the bearing was going bad because I lost power and some flight time in the heli before this one.Swapped it for a Scorpion and got a min more flight time and had more power than the Align motor before it started going bad.So yeah,im running a crap motor right now and still making awesome power with awesome flight time--> 6:30 mins ..In about 3 week's i'll have more than enough $$ for a better,more powerfull efficient motor.That will bump my flight time up to 7:30 mins or so and make more consistent power .On top of it my heli has a flybar on it.Just bought a FBL system and will get the head when I get the new motor..People claim alittle more power and another 45 secs or so just by going FBL so if thats true,add that to the 7:30 mins .Not saying i'll get close to 8:30 min's but I do see 7:30 min's of awesome flying with my setup.I already know im loosing flight time flying in this 20-30 degree cold azz weather but that will change once it warms up ..
I love nitro way more than electrics,always will.Just picked up another 700N but im having a blast with the electrics and learning alot about them..
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02-27-2012 07:53 PM  9 years ago
Rogman88

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But I love more flight time as more time in the air equals more practice. With my electrics just as I'm getting lose and into a flight I have to land a change packs. Takes me outta the zone
I'm with you on this. I've turned my Idle 1 down a bit for practicing moves and to get more flight time. New moves are easier to practice at lower head speeds for me. Then if I want a shot of adrenaline, I'll go to Idle 2 and do the crazy gnat
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02-27-2012 08:00 PM  9 years ago
1tonv

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So yr saying yr 1st 2minutes of flight are the same as last 2minutes. If so then u have one amazing setup because EVERY ELECTRIC I've ever flown even bobby watts whiplash at that fun fly when u hit the pole. It lost power at the end batteries just don't pull like that
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02-27-2012 08:06 PM  9 years ago
1tonv

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If u got 300 flights on them packs I KNOW FOR A FACT they are tired. Put some new packs in and watch it come to life. So u can't tell me yr getting same power through THE ENTIRE FLIGHT with 300 plus flights. I got packs with 125 flights on them and I would say they are only at 75% of what they were new. They deplete as u go from day one. It is what it is.
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02-27-2012 08:12 PM  9 years ago
Rogman88

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My cheapo turnigy's start losing power at 90 flights towards the end of flights. I've got one set with over 180 cycles that I can only use for auto practice and plank flying. I won a Voltz 12S 3700 pack at a fun fly a couple of months ago. I am curious to see how many cycles I get before feeling the weakness at the ends of flights. My Trex 450 when it was on 3S would start losing power after 4 minutes on turnigy/Rhino packs that had 50 cycles on them. I've since gone 6S on it and no issues so far with weakening at the end of flights.

I will probably go with expensive packs on my next purchase just to see how much milage I get out of them.
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02-27-2012 08:14 PM  9 years ago
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So yr saying yr 1st 2minutes of flight are the same as last 2minutes. If so then u have one amazing setup because EVERY ELECTRIC I've ever flown even bobby watts whiplash at that fun fly when u hit the pole. It lost power at the end batteries just don't pull like that
This is what governors are for! A good governed E heli will have the same power start to finish.

Bladestrikes,

You won't get an extra minute flight time by changing the motor to a better one! You would also have to turn your head speed down about about 200 rpm to get an extra minute. Also when I went FBL I saw no big gain in flight time, 10 seconds maybe, again unless you turn the head speed down.
60% of the time, it works every time!
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02-27-2012 08:18 PM  9 years ago
1tonv

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governors can't correct for drained or weak packs under load.
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02-27-2012 08:27 PM  9 years ago
BladeStrikes

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•1tonv So yr saying yr 1st 2minutes of flight are the same as last 2minutes. If so then u have one amazing setup because EVERY ELECTRIC I've ever flown even bobby watts whiplash at that fun fly when u hit the pole. It lost power at the end batteries just don't pull like that
Yup,I get the same power from start to finish and the reason for that is,I don't run it all out like alot of people do.That's why power isn't the same and pack's don't last---> people wanna run crazy headspeed's..I set my electric up to fly like my nitros but the only difference I see is I get ALOT more power with my electric..Right now I get the same flight time as I did with my 600LE with OS 55 but way more power,video's are on the 3rd page I think..
Im not one of them guys that needs high headspeeds.You can't do anything with a higher headspeed other than kill batterys/flight time and the heli is faster,thats it..I already ran mine with the same setup at 2350RPM - 2400RPM and for me,it's a waist..

Watch at YouTube

That was fun but like you said,after the first min or so it dies off fast..

one im running 2120RPM in gov mode on my 12S 600E which is the same as a 600/50 size nitro,well 30RPM less .Feels the same in the air with same flight time and WAY more power,its perfect for me.
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02-27-2012 08:34 PM  9 years ago
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Bladestrikes,

You won't get an extra minute flight time by changing the motor to a better one! You would also have to turn your head speed down about about 200 rpm to get an extra minute. Also when I went FBL I saw no big gain in flight time, 10 seconds maybe, again unless you turn the head speed down.
Did you read the part where I said the bearing in the motor I have now is shot?Did you read the part where I said I replace this motor with a Scorpion when I had it in another heli and GAINED a min of flight time because the bearing was shot then?I did make it clear that im flying with a shot bearing so are you saying a perfect more efficient motor will give the same flight times lol?I mean I did say the bearing in the motor im useing now is shot a few times in my post so no way you could miss that..
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02-27-2012 08:34 PM  9 years ago
1tonv

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Like I said bobby watts setup falls off end of flight. U saying yours is better come on. And for the record my 700e head speed is on 1850 1950 and 2050 which is conservative for a 700. Anyway in yr video that's on 4 minutes of flight I can hear yr motor at the end loading so look at yr logs u will see Rpm drop as u load the head
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02-27-2012 08:37 PM  9 years ago
BladeStrikes

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Scott,
I do have a new set im breaking in..Being as the ones I have now have so many cycles and old as heck,I went with the same ones.Once I have them broke in,i'll report back and see if I notice a difference in power..
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02-27-2012 08:41 PM  9 years ago
1tonv

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If the head loads more at end of flight that's because there isn't the power to push threw what yr doing. All packs will fall off PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!! I don't care who sets it up batteries fall off
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02-27-2012 08:44 PM  9 years ago
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Well I don't notice a drop in power and I never said my setup is better than Bobby Watts setup .Good luck with this thread,later..
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02-27-2012 08:46 PM  9 years ago
1tonv

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That whole breaking in packs is a big waist. I used to do it but let me just tell u this is straight from the mouth of a big name lipo research development guy. Cycle packs couple times and charge 1c after that fly the hell outta them and never look back. I told him what about breaking them in. He said not necessary
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02-27-2012 08:53 PM  9 years ago
1tonv

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Dude I was just stating that don't take it wrong way. Maybe u don't notice but it does. Lon if u can't feel see or hear the difference between yr new packs and ones with 300 flights then u will never understand what I'm talking about
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02-27-2012 08:58 PM  9 years ago
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Some brands say its more necessary than others to break packs in. 2 cycles to 50% max and charge at 1C max is about minimum break in. I usually do 5 cycles especially if the pack is slightly out of balance to start with.60% of the time, it works every time!
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02-27-2012 09:12 PM  9 years ago
1tonv

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That's reasonable and I would go for that. Just for the piece of mind, they're not cheap, but the guy I spike with swears its not really necessary at all. Keep in mind he does research & development for one of top lipo manufacturer. I just spoke with him the other day his now working on car batteries for ford now too
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