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02-02-2012 03:02 AM  6 years agoPost 61
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Dusty
FWIW, the people I've met and talked with from Iran have w/o exception identified themselves as Persians. Iran was known as Persia until the last century and the official language is Persian, the body of water on which it borders is known as the Persian Gulf. A coalition of Medes and Persians conquered the Babylonian empire ~600BC and ruled the middle east until they were themselves conquered by Alexander the Great around 330BC.
The US helped to install the Shah, and we did support him. That he was a despot seems clear enough. That we allowed the Iranian people to depose him w/o interfering in the process also seems clear enough. Nothing in our involvement justifies the ransacking of our embassy, nor the kidnapping and abuse of our embassadors. That the Iranians might be fearful of us isn't unreasonable given the history. Nevertheless, their having an atomic bomb and threatening to annihilate Israel doesn't comfort me much, regardless of how they see fit to justify themselves, Steve

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02-02-2012 03:19 AM  6 years agoPost 62
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You guy want to talk muslim and split them up like they got 2 mind set
are trying to make them out to be something of important. when moses
drive the israelite into canaan land they were instructed to to kill

the canaanite and take there land, these are the same people the most high send into despair, dont ask me why the almighty wage war against
them, these muslim have a different midset, read your bible aloud

they were never mention in the 12 tribe of israel they're not under
the covanant of the most h
igh, they're tarment day and night, they die faster and grusome in the mid east than any man live els where on
earth, you all may have seen it but never wonder,why.

they are like crocodile everything is there prey they spare no one
they'll never embrace our way of life.

they preach something and do another
one of there scripture go like this " if you kill one man it has if you kill a hundred man, if you save one man it has if you save a hundred man, look how they slaughter each other, just think.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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02-02-2012 03:37 AM  6 years agoPost 63
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IQ level of this thread just went from stratosphere.....to subterranean.... You guys were on a tear there for a bit.

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02-02-2012 04:32 AM  6 years agoPost 64
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We need to find a way for the Persian people to get their country back. If you talk to them they are really pissed that the Muslims took over their country and view them as invaders.
That is why Nutjemejob has to use extreme violence to control them. The rest of the world missed a golden oppertunity to free Iran during their protests. Obama really laid a golden turd on that one! I guess that since it wasn't a Muslim uprising he didn't want to support it.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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02-02-2012 04:40 AM  6 years agoPost 65
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I'll have to hit you on this one again, your republican party is a stumbling block in every way, if it was obama alone he'd use american
force like world police, remember when he take on libya.

who start talking about impeach him who????
right now if he said i am going to help syria you all start talking about impeachment.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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02-02-2012 04:50 AM  6 years agoPost 66
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in every way, if it was obama alone he'd use american
force like world police, remember when he take on libya.
SO why was doing that type of thing so horrible to the Dems when Bush did it and they voted for it?
Obama won't help the Iranians or the Syrians because George Soros isn't paying him to do it. Period!

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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02-02-2012 05:17 AM  6 years agoPost 67
es1co2bar3

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Iranians or the Syrians because George Soros isn't
I notic you use this guy name more than anything els who's he
is he obama god,????? the president is doing a fine job he's not following anyone lead don't know how you come by this.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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02-02-2012 05:28 AM  6 years agoPost 68
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George Soros owns Obama totally! You not knowing that makes alot of sense and explains why you don't understand many things about Obama and the Dems!

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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02-02-2012 05:39 AM  6 years agoPost 69
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I don't know how you come to term with this chit' i dont understand you, you have to explain your position,
why this guy is not the president insted of obama,
if he an advisor then that's different if obama have to follow his lead this is confusing this like someone telling me bush have contract
over see contract.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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02-02-2012 07:31 AM  6 years agoPost 70
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Actually I'm thinking of the current coalition that is and has been in Iraq since 2001 of which at least four countries are using the Euro.
Ah, so you're talking about post-returning Iraqi oil sales to dollars ''peacekeeping'' troops. I assumed you were talking about troops taking part in aggressive military action leading to ending Iraqi oil sales in euros.

And your point is?

Dusty

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02-02-2012 07:40 AM  6 years agoPost 71
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FWIW, the people I've met and talked with from Iran have w/o exception identified themselves as Persians. Iran was known as Persia until the last century and the official language is Persian, the body of water on which it borders is known as the Persian Gulf. A coalition of Medes and Persians conquered the Babylonian empire ~600BC and ruled the middle east until they were themselves conquered by Alexander the Great around 330BC.
And what does any of that have to do with modern day Iran?

It was the Shah who requested that the country should be known as Iran. Had he not done so, perhaps today it would be called the Islamic Republic of Persia. I really don't see the difference whether it's called Iran or Persia.
The US helped to install the Shah, and we did support him.
Of course they did, along with the UK.
That we allowed the Iranian people to depose him w/o interfering in the process also seems clear enough.
It's clear enough that the US continued to support Saddam's unprovoked invasion of Iran, even after it became apparent that he was using chemical weapons.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/23/i...ast/23RUMS.html
Nothing in our involvement justifies the ransacking of our embassy, nor the kidnapping and abuse of our embassadors.
The hostage takers' justification was that the US helped to install the Shah and supported him, and that the US might try to organise another coup.

Do you know what the hostage takers' demands were?

To return the Shah to Iran for trial.
Return the Shah's money to the people of Iran
A promise from the US to not interfere in Iran again.
An apology from the US for helping to install the Shah and supporting him.

Which of those demands do you see as being unreasonable?
Nevertheless, their having an atomic bomb and threatening to annihilate Israel doesn't comfort me much, regardless of how they see fit to justify themselves, Steve
Don't you think they know they would be annihilated if they attacked Israel?

Dusty

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02-02-2012 07:45 AM  6 years agoPost 72
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We need to find a way for the Persian people to get their country back. If you talk to them they are really pissed that the Muslims took over their country and view them as invaders.
But Iranians are overwhelmingly Muslim.

Do you think we should find a way for the indigenous American Indians to get ''their country'' back?

Dusty

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02-02-2012 07:49 AM  6 years agoPost 73
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George Soros owns Obama totally!
Well it looks like he has now disowned him.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...dmhQ_video.html

George Soros: 'Not much difference' between Romney and Obama''

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02-02-2012 12:48 PM  6 years agoPost 74
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Ah, so you're talking about post-returning Iraqi oil sales to dollars ''peacekeeping'' troops. I assumed you were talking about troops taking part in aggressive military action leading to ending Iraqi oil sales in euros.

And your point is?

Dusty
Your point was that none of the Euro using nations would have anything to do with the war in Iraq, Not true!

As to Iran, the Nation Geographic did an indepth article where they went across Iran interviewing the people and most say that they pretend to be Muslim in order to get along (stay alive) with the invaders! They would love to be out from under the Muslim extremeists that rule the country with an iron fist but as seen recently they were unsucessful in getting outside help from the free world.
I feel terrible for these people because they will be the ones that pay the price when their Muslim dictatorship gets them killed in the comming war!

As to Soros' comments, A rare monent of truth? Trust me, as a conservative I am not happy with the prospect of Romney on the ticket instead of Ron Paul or one of the other candidates. It's just that if we want to get our counrty back to work and possibly head off WW3 we need to get that nimrod Obama out of the Whitehouse!
So it looks like in this campaign our choice will again be between bad or worse!

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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02-02-2012 05:57 PM  6 years agoPost 75
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Your point was that none of the Euro using nations would have anything to do with the war in Iraq, Not true!
No, I said that no country which uses the euro currency took part in the invasion of Iraq.

The 2003 invasion of Iraq (March 19–May 1, 2003)
As to Iran, the Nation Geographic did an indepth article where they went across Iran interviewing the people and most say that they pretend to be Muslim in order to get along (stay alive) with the invaders!
But the population of Iran has been predominantly Muslim for centuries, as has the population of the rest of the middle east. Mosaddegh was a Shia Muslim. Can you provide a link to support this allegation, and who are you referring to as ''the invaders''?

The numbers seem to speak for themselves. For example, the largest Jewish population in the middle east outside Israel, lives in Iran. In comparison to Saudi Arabia, there is certainly considerably more freedom of religion in Iran.
They would love to be out from under the Muslim extremeists that rule the country with an iron fist
That I do not doubt, although on the whole, they seem to be happier with the current regime than they were with the Shah's regime.
As to Soros' comments, A rare monent of truth?
The fact that Soros no longer contributes directly to Obama's campaign makes the claim that Soros ''owns'' Obama ring hollow.
So it looks like in this campaign our choice will again be between bad or worse!
We have much the same situation in the UK. It's a case of voting for the lesser of two evils, neither of which makes much difference at the end of the day. These days, it's arguable as to whether we live in plutocracies as opposed to democracies. The only notable exception is Ron Paul.

Dusty

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02-03-2012 12:40 AM  6 years agoPost 76
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But Russia doesn't buy Iranian oil. Russia is an oil exporter. They have plenty of their own.
My bad. You are correct which means that what Iran has that Russia wants is weapon sales.
Iran wants to sell their oil for currencies other than the US dollar from their Kish Island bourse which was set up to compete with the bourses in New York and London. The US and UK want the world's oil to be sold through the US owned bourses in New York and London for dollars. Most of the world's oil being sold in dollars is what helps keep the dollar's status as the world's reserve currency.

Saddam started demanding Euros for Iraqi oil in late 2000. No prizes for guessing that none of the countries which use the Euro currency took part in the invasion, or for guessing that Iraqi oil reverted to being sold in dollars after the invasion.
There's only one problem with this hypothesis, Iraq wasn't supposed to be selling oil in 2000 except for humanitarian relief. The reason those European countries didn't want to invade was becasue they were secretly undermining the sanctions and buying oil from Saddam. Since the whole thing was in violation of the NATO sanctions and since they are members of NATO they didn't want it to come out in public what they were doing. So yes, I can see how that would give Saddam the leverage to demand payment in any currency he would like.

And as for the general concept of other coutries trying to install their currencies over the dollar or even the euro in the world marketplace, of course, everybody wants to rule the world. And yes, that would be in the interest of the U.S. to keep its currency as the default currency for the simple reason that to allow otherwise would hurt the U.S. You don't think that the countries trying to replace the dollar and the euro don't know that and in fact welcome it?

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02-03-2012 09:49 AM  6 years agoPost 77
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My bad. You are correct which means that what Iran has that Russia wants is weapon sales.
Iran is only one of several countries that Russia sells arms to. I would think that Russia and Iran do all sorts of trade given that they are neighbours, just as most other countries around the world trade with their neighbours.
There's only one problem with this hypothesis, Iraq wasn't supposed to be selling oil in 2000 except for humanitarian relief.
Sanctions on Iraqi oil exports were lifted in 1999.
So yes, I can see how that would give Saddam the leverage to demand payment in any currency he would like.
Every sovereign nation has the right to sell their oil for whichever currency they choose.
And as for the general concept of other coutries trying to install their currencies over the dollar or even the euro in the world marketplace, of course, everybody wants to rule the world. And yes, that would be in the interest of the U.S. to keep its currency as the default currency for the simple reason that to allow otherwise would hurt the U.S. You don't think that the countries trying to replace the dollar and the euro don't know that and in fact welcome it?
Countries don't ''install'' their currencies as the reserve currencies of other countries. It's up to each individual country to choose which currencies they want to hold in reserve. Just as you would choose what stocks you might want to buy on the stock market, companies don't insist that you spend your money on their stocks.

Currently, the dollar is thought to constitute around 60% of world reserves, but that figure has dropped by around 10% in the past 10 years, due to it's decline in value against other currencies. What partly holds it up is the agreement the US has with OPEC countries, that they should insist on dollars for their oil, in return for the US keeping the Arab dictators in power. As the dollar continues to decline in value though, it's inevitable that it's status as the premier world reserve currency will do the same. And that's a vicious circle, since the less demand there is for it, the more it will decline in value.

Premier world reserve currencies come and go, and the dollar has only had the status of being the world's premier reserve currency since the end of WW2. Due to it's decline, there will come a point when the US will no longer be able to afford to have 900 military bases in 130 countries, or whatever the figures are. This is why Ron Paul's policy of bringing the troops back home now, makes sense. Do so while you still have the choice, and keep what strength your economy has left.

When the dollar does lose it's status as the premier world reserve currency, there is no indication that any other currency will take it's place. After the dollar then the euro, it's the British pound sterling that comes in at a distant third, followed closely by the Japanese yen. Russian and Chinese currencies are nowhere.

Just as if you did hold stocks that were declining in value, your wealth would also decline in value. Similarly, countries that have to hold dollars in order to purchase oil, see their wealth decline in value. This is why Ron Paul's policy of bringing out other US currencies to compete with dollars makes sense, not only for Americans, but for the rest of the world too.

Dusty

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02-03-2012 10:50 AM  6 years agoPost 78
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It's amazing how all of these racist countries... you know... the ones that are of one ethnic heritage confined inside a policed border, hate a country that is comprised of pieces of all of THEM. One thing I have to give certain religions is the preaching of love between all peoples. If only they would practice what they preached!

So really, the big question is... where does all of this hate come from in the world? Is it any different than the hate among family members... ones you read about where they also kill each other?

The root of the problem... universally... is unbridled hate, lack of tolerance, jealousy and lack of respect for human life.

God got something right when He spelled out the 10 rules. Unfortunately, like everything else in this world, people find what they consider a flaw and throw the baby out with the bathwater and we end up with no real guidance at all.

Where are the leaders of the non-religious world? Maybe we should look at those societies that rule out hate and conflict as options.

Truthfully though, there is no answer here on this earth. Even those societies have hate amongst themselves.. albeit suppressed or swept under the rug. That's why religions like Christianity exist. We can't control the evil... we don't know what to do with it. Once I was a listening to a fellow preaching about this. He said imagine a video screen attached to your shoulder that displayed our thoughts in front of everyone. Nobody is immune.
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Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace

You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world

You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as one

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02-03-2012 11:05 AM  6 years agoPost 79
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So really, the big question is... where does all of this hate come from in the world?
Can you be more specific?

Besides propping up Arab dictators as above, as for the Arab world, Iran, Israel and the US, as I mentioned on the previous page:
Muslims bear animosity towards the US because the US supports Israel. US support for Israel was cited as a reason for the 9/11 attacks by the FBI agents who reported to the 9/11 commission. Muslims don't like Israel because they see them as European settlers, who colonised the land and kicked most of the indigenous population out. I suppose that's because they are mostly European settlers, who colonised the land, and kicked most of the indigenous population out, and continue to do the same to this day in the West Bank.
Dusty

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02-03-2012 11:09 AM  6 years agoPost 80
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Yes, kicking people out of anywhere to take over land is wrong. American settlers did it to the Native Indians here in the US. That was wrong. At the same time, certain native Indians killed each other over land and food. Like I said, it's the evil inherent in all of us.. no matter who, where or when, or what god we believe in. We all need to recognize that. We are animals with survival instincts. We believe that the more money and property we own, the safer we are. Short term thinking for sure. There really is no answer here on this earth.. we (I) Can Only Imagine.

BTW, I think if Israel or the US decides to take out the Iranian nuclear system, they should give the Iranians ample warning so no one gets killed. Actually I think the warnings are already going out which means they will put innocent people in harms way as shields. Isn't the world nuts?

And it all started when the caveman picked up a club... or was it when Eve ate the forbidden fruit?

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