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01-29-2012 10:28 PM  6 years agoPost 21
merlin3

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avant, almost everything is made here in the good old usa

Justin - Team Horizon, Team Byron
2-700x, Trex 700n, small helis

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01-30-2012 04:49 AM  6 years agoPost 22
Mike Fortin

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Miniature Aircraft USA, the USA pretty much says it all.

So it appears your "Call" has been answered!

Have Rotors, Will Fly!

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01-30-2012 04:55 AM  6 years agoPost 23
Chanceyman

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+1 for miniature, great quality and fair pricing. I LOVE the whiplash and can't wait until I can get my hands on a Nitro version. Its been a while since I have flown nitro but can't wait for this one.

Fly it like you stole it. -Team Heliproz- -Morgan Fuel-

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01-30-2012 05:51 AM  6 years agoPost 24
95nostalgia

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Somehow Optimistic
I was flying when Xcells first came on the scene followed by Hirobo. Prior to that there were only two models...Schluter and "Dangerous". I jest when I group many of the experimentals into the "dangerous" category. Dangerous is still being made today. Unfortruinately Schluter is gone. With all respect for what MA has done right to survive and improve, they do not offer what I am talking about (both in size and build) and probably don;t want to either. That is cool.I understand. It's called business.

My point still stands. I want more beefy "mini Vario 600's" and more true 800's all made in America. My call has not been met. I refer you to another link that may help those who still don;t get the distinction.

https://rc.runryder.com/t674208p1/

This dude's nice 222 went down three times due to the same plastic gear that ended up looking like puke. His only choice was to buy extras until he could make it right. It was too late for the 222. But he's got something now. As I warned him, he might want to watch the parts around the new gear as they might be under add'l stress. But he sure put the American Swah-who-lee on it. Who makes that gear? NOBODY but that dude. He comes from PA. That's steel country (or used to be). Some of the most talented machinst and metal workers studied there.

As the man said, the skilled class of worker is not being replaced. That's why there are no machinists like my close friend and when he is gone, you will feel the loss. Apprently many out there don't even know what I mean by that. They don't even know what good is. Somehow I still remain optimistic in America.

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01-30-2012 06:02 AM  6 years agoPost 25
philip 01

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all about economics.

ma makes a great 600 n/e, 700 n/e, and with a longer boom, 800 heli.

they will handle what you can give it with no problems.

simple, low parts count, high quality. best over all i've seen in 15 years of flying with a large group of heli fliers weekly. we've seen and had them all over the years.

they may not hit the price point people want but you get what you pay for.

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01-30-2012 06:03 AM  6 years agoPost 26
Mike Fortin

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Well, as soon as someone is ready to plunk down $500k to $1,000,000 to get a new business up and running as well as investing in CNC, plastic molding and a few other essentials then you might be in luck.

Since your asking for such a specific model, it probably not going to happen anytime soon since what your asking for only appeals to a very, very small segment of our hobby.

The risk is far more than the reward.

Have Rotors, Will Fly!

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01-30-2012 07:14 AM  6 years agoPost 27
95nostalgia

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Oh I could tell you a story about phenolics and plastic molds and recipes and CNC's and they didn't cost 1/2-1mill to start up either. More like $3k and just a bunch of hard work and close watching over many years. But this is not the time nor the place.

Look over the two links I supplied again and think about those people and their work. Maybe it will strike a chord that will help you somewhere. It ain't mediocre stuff. Landfills are loaded with mediocre stuff. "Economics" has both short and long term implications.

Maybe I'll do the heli's myself one day but probably not to any great extent. Having not seen a weekend or holiday in last 2yrs, It's not likely. And it all starts again in the morning. So I'll wish you a good night and good luck.

Cheers.

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01-30-2012 01:51 PM  6 years agoPost 28
Mike Fortin

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$3k for Custom CNC and molds?

You can't even get a set of blades made for that much, the molds are roughly 3x's more expensive than the number you threw out there and that's in Asia.

If I told you the cost of making a mold for a simple fan shroud here in the USA, you'd probably fall out of your chair.

Have Rotors, Will Fly!

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01-30-2012 03:38 PM  6 years agoPost 29
jadams

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Still trying to figure out the point of this thread.....

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01-30-2012 03:55 PM  6 years agoPost 30
Chris Bergen

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God Forbid I agree with Mike ( ), but in this instance he is correct.

Especially in these difficult days, a business MUST weigh the cost of doing a "custom" job like what you are asking for.

We can probably supply what you are needing, HOWEVER, the cost that we would need to charge for making ONE set is just not worth it. If there were a HUGE market for it, then it would make sense to tool up and run 1000 of them, but there simply isn't, not today.

Chris D. Bergen

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01-30-2012 04:16 PM  6 years agoPost 31
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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All machining processes are done right in Billings, Montana. All the pre-assembled components are assembled right at our shop in Billings, Montana (mostly by Jeff Miller)
1+ for my main man Jeff Miller.

Avant RC
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01-30-2012 04:22 PM  6 years agoPost 32
4 stroke flyer

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Bergen helicopters are made in the USA. about twenty miles from my house. Customer support second to none.

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01-30-2012 04:34 PM  6 years agoPost 33
BeltFedBrowning

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I want a "US Vario" (800 size) made all here in the US.
Are you just stirring the pot or did you do any research?
Airstar makes an all metal Vario right here in the US

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01-30-2012 04:56 PM  6 years agoPost 34
JasonJ

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Still trying to figure out the point of this thread.....
My impression is, after you get past all the fluff is that the OP is frustrated because the RC helicopter market is geared towards 3D/Aerobatic helicopters when he would like to see more airframes useful for scale.

The problem is RC helicopters are a niche market. Not a lot of people fly them when you look at the big picture. Scale is niche within the niche. Unless everyone ditches 3D and starts buying Longranger fuselages I doubt that will change. This is why people scratch build. Most "sport" scale kits are designed to work with the current or at least recent popular airframes such as the Raptor 50/90 and T-rex 600/700along with the big guns like Vario.

I would like to build a scale ship just to do it and to me it seems like there is more out there now than there ever was. Heck, you can go on Ebay and have a 50 size fiberglass Jetranger fuse to your door for under $200. Not long ago that was an impossibility. After thinking about it, I don't think I own anything that was 100% built in America except my house and then I bet there is something imported in there somewhere. I don't get stressed out over it though. Life is hard enough.

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01-30-2012 05:09 PM  6 years agoPost 35
Mike Fortin

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Vario and East Coast Scale have some incredible models, if you've ever seen them for yourself it's amazing the scale and looks that some of these have.

The models are currently and readily available for purchase without going out and having to come up with a new design that would likely cost far more money than it would actually be worth.

Scale models have come a very long way and if you've ever seen guys like Peter Wales or Darryl Sprayberry with those models, it's simply amazing and the models are 800 sizes and far beyond.

Have Rotors, Will Fly!

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01-30-2012 06:40 PM  6 years agoPost 36
Havoc

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Scale is niche within the niche.
Exactly

If you want good scale stuff, buy a milling machine. Starwood has great Len Mount designed stuff. Else you may be getting 20 year old designs that are shoe horned into larger models.

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01-30-2012 06:56 PM  6 years agoPost 37
95nostalgia

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I can't do this any more. I am hunting for parts and email and spending a bit too much time explaining. This is my last on this subject.

I talk made in America and you cite a foreign import company. I talk size and you talk stretched. You cite another company who has a name and a website but that's about it. Send them some money and see what happens. Yeah, I did some research. I've seen some stuff. Did you?

$3k was borrowed to purchase the first machines. Still have one of them. It was a scary time. I've worn out many since. I design molds. I make molds. I pour molds. But it's not my main thing. Fall out of my chair? What's a chair?

I agree on the niche within a niche and there doesn't seem to be alot of support on my theme here. I guess the scale guys are ok with the status quo. I concede. I won't stop but I do concede. However, I will continue to really support those who create and improve (like Sprayberry et al) and not shoot down those who want to encourage more of it. That is the point of this thread.

I leave with a thought. An associate of mine makes guns and motorcycle engines. All top Q stuff. Actually, the very best available. One is his bread n butter and the other for his sanity. That's how you couple the "necessary" with the fun. That's advanced economics...for the soul AND pocketbook.

I am calling for anyone who has time and inclination to develop (quickly or gradually) a robust, beefy line of heli's that are in the 600 and 800 size for realistic heli flight regardless (and in spite of) the ones manufactured out there now. There is nothing bad about anything I just said. If you argue with that, you're really not the one to do it and not the one I want to reach.

Calm winds to all.

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01-30-2012 07:00 PM  6 years agoPost 38
Mike Fortin

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I am calling for anyone who has time and inclination to develop (quickly or gradually) a robust, beefy line of heli's that are in the 600 and 800 size for realistic heli flight
I don't get it, these already exist and are made in the USA

Have Rotors, Will Fly!

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01-30-2012 07:17 PM  6 years agoPost 39
BeltFedBrowning

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Yeah, I did some research. I've seen some stuff. Did you?
You didn't look at my gallery, did you? Let me help. I don't need to research what I own!

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01-30-2012 07:24 PM  6 years agoPost 40
JasonJ

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I hear what the OP is saying. Any helicopter in production that is 3D or aerobatic can be made to fly scale or used in a scale application. That is why things are the way they are. It is unfortunate that there are not a lot of U.S. Manufacturers but those that do exist can be used for scale with the right application of ingenuity.

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