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01-29-2012 03:11 AM  6 years agoPost 1
95nostalgia

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I love forums like this. You get to see links where people have modified and created and shown us all how constructive we can be. Stripped plastic gears, out of balance clutches, after thoughts for battery placement & electric conversions. etc. It shows that we are capable of fixing almost all of the untested and cheaply made parts thrown at us. It's becoming a way of life it seems. We spend as much time fixing as we do flying.

But what I don't appreciate the most is the attitudes some manufacturers or suppliers try to ram down our throats as they sell us over-priced or under-engineered parts. I refuse to mention names or even countries where they originate. But I will mention two examples. These guys happen to have very close ties in the past which make one wonder if there is more to all of this.

I needed an 800 sized landing gear for a 600 size heli. I went to a company who advertises and makes them entirely out of aluminum tubing for their 800 sized heli's. Look nice. That was over three weeks ago. When I inquired about dimensions, they responded with, "What color?" I responded with dimensions (again) via emails and finally phone calls directly with the owner. I've read about this guy and was warned but I try to give everyone a chance. Unfortunately he turned out to be the flake everyone warned me about and he could not return calls, meet target times, nor deliver anything. I question what the heck this jokler does for a living. He would certainly not survive in my area. Maybe I wanted the wrong color. LOL. So I went with plan B.

Plan B was a dude I tried many years ago to buy a very expensive set of mechanics from. His responses were very much like his website...incomplete and a bit on the snobbish side. Having never been able to get a straight answer, I went elsewhere. Sure wish they still made Schluter Champions again. I returned last year looking for mechanics again but hoping things had changed. Same dude. Same attitude. And again...his supplier missed a big sale. So recently I tried him opnce again with the simpliest thing I could...ordering by a part number. All I needed to know was size and availability. "I'll have to check my inventory." That was last week. I have heard nothing from him. Should I hold the phone while he checks? Is his inventory warehouse that big? Nawh...he's the same old dude I knew before. He may make some people happy and he may be experienced. But is little good to me. His exporter should know in this case it has cost them two large sales and one small one so far.

So here I am reading about cool people who design jaw-dropping S-300 frames from scratch and use some parts from some suppliers but it is just another step for them to make those parts in house. I wish they would. And I wonder, isn't it about time we had a serious manufacturer situated entirely in the US that makes heli's that are strong in the right places, we can order parts from and have them shipped easily, can talk to a knowledgeable person who can speak our language and answer our questions? No one hiding behind a website. I think competition is a good thing for all. I say, let's get it on.

For now I thank you for listening and allowing me to vent. I feel better. I still don't have my landing gear but I will eventually. I may have to get out my tools. If I do, I might not just make one. I might set up for 100. And if one of those losers calls for an order, I'll take good care of them. Value received.

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01-29-2012 03:25 AM  6 years agoPost 2
dchekas

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nd I wonder, isn't it about time we had a serious manufacturer situated entirely in the US that makes heli's that are strong in the right places, we can order parts from and have them shipped easily, can talk to a knowledgeable person who can speak our language and answer our questions? No one hiding behind a website. I think competition is a good thing for all. I say, let's get it on.
I believe that manufacturer is called Miniature Aircraft USA

Team Align, Team Futaba, Team Byron Fuels, Team Thunder Power

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01-29-2012 03:55 AM  6 years agoPost 3
TheWoodCrafter

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I believe that manufacturer is called Miniature Aircraft USA
+++1

After what, 25 years, still the best but only USA made machine.

Thanks, TheWoodCrafter

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01-29-2012 04:01 AM  6 years agoPost 4
MXRACERX43

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I believe that manufacturer is called Miniature Aircraft USA

Team Miniature Aircraft~Team GensAce

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01-29-2012 04:30 AM  6 years agoPost 5
95nostalgia

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Well..
I have no experience with X-cell but I am certain their longevity sez much about their customer service. I don't do inverted flight. My prefernce is to see a helicopter that looks like a real one. So I cater to a different approach to our hobby. Consider this link and the comparison will be clear. Hoping the author doesn't mind.

[url=http://www.scalerchelis.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13560&view=unread]

No matter why you like the hobby, you gotta like the inventors and dealers who treat you right.

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01-29-2012 05:26 AM  6 years agoPost 6
flmgrip

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Hey listen, wake up... Nothing is made in America anymore.... Sorry


i can hover

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01-29-2012 05:39 AM  6 years agoPost 7
eddiscus

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Sad part is we did it to ourselves.

Logo Xxtreme 800
Logo 700
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TDR 2

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01-29-2012 05:59 AM  6 years agoPost 8
95nostalgia

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My daughter was made in the USA from 100% US parts and labor. I could've made more (at the time) but elected to limit production.

We all better wake up. The answer is not to throw up our hands and say nothing is made in America anymore and accept poor service...it's to change and make something in America and give good service. I refuse to give in so easily. My fight is over when I hear the last bell, not before I get in the ring.

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01-29-2012 06:11 AM  6 years agoPost 9
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Hey listen, wake up... Nothing is made in America anymore.... Sorry
True.

Imagine the shock when these folks learn that some MA components are not made in the USA.

Futaba.. Always Imitated, Never Duplicated.

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01-29-2012 06:22 AM  6 years agoPost 10
Ravenhyper50

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Imagine the shock when these folks learn that some MA components are not made in the USA.
LMAO! Funny but, TRUE!

Raven

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01-29-2012 12:34 PM  6 years agoPost 11
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95nostalgia

Watch her. Maybe send over sea's , Like our heli order our jobs, along with our money. The next thing you know. some one be inporting our kids.

So whos cloning our kids yet?lol

I love my xcell helis

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01-29-2012 01:44 PM  6 years agoPost 12
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Hey listen, wake up... Nothing is made in America anymore.... Sorry
This is not true. Believe it or not the USA manufactures more products than any country in the world, yes even China. In 2009, which was a terrible year, the USA put out $2.15 trillion in manufactured goods while the Chinese put out $1.48 trillion, almost 50% more. While it is true that there are fewer manufacturing jobs in the US that is because we are far more effiecent at making things and that is a good thing.

I've worked in manufacturing for the past 20 years and believe it or not right now things are stronger than they have been in a long time. Part of my job in buying capital equipment and lead times now are six to nine months because machine tool companies are selling machines far faster than they can make them.

If you don't believe me do about 10 minutes of research on the internet and you find the answers.

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01-29-2012 03:18 PM  6 years agoPost 13
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With the exception of our Furion 450, which is made by our partner in Korea, ALL of our machined parts are made in the U.S.A. That means ALL carbon is manufactured and cut, all aluminum is manufactured and machined, and all steel is manufactured and machined right here in the U.S. All machining processes are done right in Billings, Montana. All the pre-assembled components are assembled right at our shop in Billings, Montana (mostly by Jeff Miller) The exceptions are just a few, for example bearings and canopies are not made in the U.S.

Miniature Aircraft

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01-29-2012 05:19 PM  6 years agoPost 14
Neon Juripuri

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It all starts at the poll. I think the last presidential election only 63% of us voted. I'm sure about half of that,voted for their candidate like throwing a dart at a dart board. It's pretty sad all of the people that died for freedom,and how many people watch something like American Idol instead of a presidential debate.
And no I'm not saying it's all the presidents fault. I'm just pointing out an example of where our priorities are. And how a guy like him got elected in the first place.
There are only 535 congressmen in this country,and they are mostly to blame for illegal immigration,welfare,and utter stupidity which is influenced by corrupt shenanigans.
I wonder how many of us can name the Senators of our state or Representative of our district?
The general idea is "there all a bunch of crooks anyway,I can't do anything about it" So they don't even vote,and a lot of us that do vote put very little time into thinking about just who or what it is that's getting voted on.
I'll shut up now
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01-29-2012 05:56 PM  6 years agoPost 15
95nostalgia

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Please get me right. I'm not bashing any country in particular. And the politics thing is right on time. If the playing field is even (and it ain;t because of corporate greed), we can whoop butt in the USA. But we are left at the mercy of foreign trends and cultures.

IMHO Align has about eliminated all their heli's (except nitro converted electrics) for scale application. The original ESP is discountued and almost all of their stuff is geared for 3D. Maybe it makes good sense because they end up ion the ground faster?

Personally I don;t like CF. I like aircraft grade aluminum. I want a "mini Vario" (600 size) and a "US Vario" (800 size) made all here in the US. Fastest? No. Best for 3D? Probably not. Certainly heavy acrobatics. Holds up better in many crashes or less "disposable"? I think so. Higher price but longer term better investment? Yes. Variable gearing and tail speed etc making an excellant platform for scale and industrial? YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

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01-29-2012 06:00 PM  6 years agoPost 16
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+1 for miniature air and dont forget about the pantera by genesis hobby which is made in the U.S.A. i had the same feeling like in the thread starter. there is just a better feeling when i fly my american heli's i cant explain it!

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01-29-2012 06:15 PM  6 years agoPost 17
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+1 For Minature Aircraft...
My next 90...not to mention there down to earth people...
when your a common flyer...means a lot to me..you dont get that stare
like ..who are you..why i like Curtis..he always took the time with you...

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01-29-2012 06:17 PM  6 years agoPost 18
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OldNewbie: If you don't believe me do about 10 minutes of research on the internet and you find the answers.
http://www.brookings.edu/papers/201...enge_baily.aspx

... Chew on this little tidbit of reality.... I'm just keepin' it real.

This info was put out yesterday.... unlike the 3 year old stats/info in your earlier post.

Futaba.. Always Imitated, Never Duplicated.

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01-29-2012 07:08 PM  6 years agoPost 19
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You are comparing apples to oranges. The article you refer to has to do with trade deficits and the fact that we import more than we export. I never for a minute tried to indicate that we dont have a huge trade deficit, we certainly do. My point was simply to point out that we do indeed still have a very strong manufacturing base in this country. Could it be stronger? ABSOLUTELY, that is what we need our government to work on. The unfortunate thing is that most average americans believe that manufacturing in the USA is dead and therefore it is not a good field to pursue. Because of this we are now lacking workers that have the skills to fill the jobs that are available. The company I work for has been trying to hire anywhere from 6 to 10 machine operators a month for most of 2011 and will continue thru 2012 and it is very difficult to find people with even the most basic mechanical skills and aptitudes. These are decent paying jobs with full medical insurance and profit sharing. The only good news I have seen is it does seem that there a few people in Washington that are starting to realize this and at least there is some dialog started on what can be done to improve the situation. Like someone posted above, when it comes to vote research out what the candidates truly stand for and vote accordingly.

PS Looks like my next heli is going to be an MA likely. I think it is awesome they are made in the US.

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01-29-2012 10:00 PM  6 years agoPost 20
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pantera is made in korea by Hundai, same as JR Venture and Robbe Ornith, ask JB if you don't know.

Please cancel my clearance, I have the field in sight. Got my RW Turbine Waiver, need lottery!

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