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01-27-2012 09:05 PM  6 years agoPost 1
heliaddict2424

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Since I don't see many people on the Goblin fourms I wanted to post here. I am still trying to understand what parts if any are made in Italy for the Goblin. Bert said to listen to a podcast that he did and it would be explained but no specifics were discussed. So hears a link to some discussion on the Goblin forum but I have not gotten any straight answers from SAB and unlike others YES it bothers me that its not manufactured where I thought it was.

http://www.goblin-helicopter.com/fo...in-Manufactured

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01-27-2012 09:27 PM  6 years agoPost 2
BrainDrain_dx

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oh yay, this again...

"I say we all wait to get our Goblins and do our own assessment of their quality"

+1

I still don't care where they are made, as long as they perform when they get here.

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01-27-2012 10:25 PM  6 years agoPost 3
heliaddict2424

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I DO...

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01-27-2012 10:52 PM  6 years agoPost 4
whiskey

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I doubt anything but the manual is made In Italy
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Ya need to get over this. The kit would be $2000 if made in Italy. It doesn't matter where it's made as long as they follow the manufacturers specs. The only reason the TDR only costs $1250 is because there is not a middle man. If the goblin was like that, then everyone would bitch about only being able to get parts from Italy.

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01-28-2012 01:05 AM  6 years agoPost 5
heliaddict2424

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Hmmm...well....ummm...nope not over it LOL)

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01-28-2012 01:44 AM  6 years agoPost 6
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Where does MSH (i.e. Protos) make their parts?

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01-28-2012 01:59 AM  6 years agoPost 7
heliaddict2424

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I think the parts say made in Italy I think.

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01-28-2012 09:02 AM  6 years agoPost 8
OnTheSnap

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Even Mikado sources parts from multiple countries. It's the way the world works these days. Apple has 40,000 US employees, but everything is made in China. Apple is good for both the US and Asian economy. They would certainly fail in most of their markets if their products were 50% more expensive. SAB is based in Italy. Buy a Goblin and support one of the new Heli startups. Profit will go into SAB, helping them grow their HQ in Italy. Their suppliers located globally make some coin too. SAB grows and hires more employees. We get more green helicopter toys.

From the outside it may be easy for you to criticize their business model, but we have no idea what the constraints are shaping their decisions. They clearly wanted to produce a unique model at a competitive price in high volumes. I doubt that could be achieved with 100% local resources and still produce a profitable company with enough earnings to grow. Maybe with small volumes this would be OK.

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01-28-2012 09:16 AM  6 years agoPost 9
Dood

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SAB blades are made in Italy. They're only about 5-15% more expensive than any of the FunKey manufactured blades.
The posted theories such as, "The kit would be $2000 if made in Italy" don't hold a lot of water in my opinion.

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01-28-2012 01:15 PM  6 years agoPost 10
fastflyer20

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Look at the price of the MA Whiplash, where is it made? Oh yeah, in the USA. Is it $2000?, no. Companies can be competitive in many different countries if they want to.

Read heliaddict2424 post on the goblin link, spot on. I could elaborate, but what he said is exactly what I have experienced.

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01-28-2012 03:11 PM  6 years agoPost 11
whiskey

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$2000
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Might have been a stretch but more expensive is not.

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01-28-2012 03:20 PM  6 years agoPost 12
OnTheSnap

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So the main concern is QC? To make the grand assumption that everything produced in Asia is poor quality is a huge stereotyping leap. Like anywhere else there are good and bad manufacturers. We can't automatically assume they are using an incompetent facility and make sweeping judgements that they have no quality control.

Anyway, let's reserve judgement until we see real forum reports instead of assuming everything will be poorly controlled. I think the new guy in the block deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Building their own CNC facility like MA (isn't it Big Sky CNC?) is really expensive. And even more expensive to scale to high volumes. It's one thing to produce 100 kits. Another to produce 5000. Don't assume SAB had the financial resources to do what MA has done or the same vision of scale and volume long term.

SAB blades are more expensive. And I'm sure this has a negative impact on sales. I wonder how they are doing against say Edge Blades?

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01-28-2012 03:27 PM  6 years agoPost 13
whiskey

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Well said
You have to consider that if SAB had to build facilities to produce the goblin from scratch, at least some of those costs would be offset by higher kit/part costs.

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01-28-2012 05:52 PM  6 years agoPost 14
heliaddict2424

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Read heliaddict2424 post on the goblin link, spot on. I could elaborate, but what he said is exactly what I have experienced.
Most important if you are not going to manufacture your own parts you had dam well better inspect them yourself. Is SAB doing this I don't know it does not sound like it considering the kits are shipping directly from manufacturing facility. If my name and reputation is on the line I will be sure that things are made right period. I wont sit back and hope and pray that the people making my parts are doing a good job sorry I don't think so. Lets face it even Align can inspect there own parts they have control over what gets shipped to the end user. I still have my Goblin on order and I am sure it will be a good heli but if I knew then what I know now I would not have bought one most likely. Again read my post on Goblin forum I speak from allot of experience I have been in manufacturing for 20+ years.

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01-28-2012 06:32 PM  6 years agoPost 15
whiskey

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Well we will see in a couple of weeks.
You can always make your own Goblin I guess.

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01-28-2012 07:40 PM  6 years agoPost 16
OnTheSnap

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I respect your bad experiences and struggles with quality control. But also realize some of us have a similar level of experience and expertise in manufacturing.

The real question is will SAB implement a process that results in a quality product or not. We can not assume "where" is the controlling variable here. Just too many other more important factors.

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01-28-2012 08:08 PM  6 years agoPost 17
heliaddict2424

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Compareing Apple to RC helis really lol. I think Apple had the funds to build and control there own factorys. Im done with this post

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01-29-2012 03:31 AM  6 years agoPost 18
epc2

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SAB blades are made in Italy. They're only about 5-15% more expensive than any of the FunKey manufactured blades.
The posted theories such as, "The kit would be $2000 if made in Italy" don't hold a lot of water in my opinion
Nope , SAB Blades are not made in Italy anymore , they're made by Fusuno/Outrage.

Problem is not where stuff is made is QC.

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02-02-2012 08:14 PM  6 years agoPost 19
Alexvan

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I don't think it's only a question of QC. By the overseas localization of production they are also bad redistributing the wealth produced: a part overseas, a part in taxes and a part as profit to very few people. As an Italian I don't think they are keeping the Italian flag flying by relocation of production.

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02-02-2012 08:39 PM  6 years agoPost 20
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Alexvan, we have the same issue here in the United States. It is considerably cheaper for most companies who have very labor intensive manufacturing processes to move their production facilities to the far east because they can:

#1. Pay their workers less
#2. Dump their chemicals out back of the factory
#3. Not implement any safety protection for their workers

So it is very possible that the SAB Goblin will be made by 11 y/o children who are only paid enough money to afford a bowl of rice and who may develop long term health consequences by being exposed to toxic chemicals both at work and at home.

I'm not saying this is the case, but so long as nobody knows where the helicopter is being produced, this scenario remains a distinct possibility.

So my point here is that if you have a soul and if you care anything about the plight of other people in the world, where a product is made matters a whole lot more than if they "have proper quality control".

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