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01-27-2012 08:02 PM  6 years agoPost 1
127.0.0.1

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Just so we're clear, I'm a newb, I've been flying my 450 sport for about 2 months. Before this, most of my time (about 6 months) was spent on the SIM.

So I was at my local flying field last weekend and there was a fellow newb who had a Trex 500 ESP. He would spool it up, get nervous, then shut it down. He said he was "just getting the bugs out" but it was clear to me he was nervous about flying. After talking with him for about 15 minutes, he pretty much admitted that he didn't like the super high head-speed that was recommended to him by the local "pro." I told him that for "us newbs" having a super high head-speed isn't really necessary and he should try lowering it down to something more tolerable and less intimidating.

Then, out of left-freakin field comes this local "pro" asking me "who [I] thought I was" to make any recommendation. He was saying how he was "sponsored by companies X, Y, and Z and had been doing this longer than blah blah blah.

Here's my question: did I break some sort of unspoken rule of the flying field? Not one person spoke up in my defense, so I kind of felt like a fool, but...I don't know. What gives, was this guy just being a jerk, or did I violate some unspoken "code of ethics"?

I'm moving in a couple weeks, so I don't have to worry about flying with these guys too much anymore. I'm thinking of going back Saturday (tomorrow) and giving the guy a chance to remit his statement, but I'm not sure. Thoughts?

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01-27-2012 08:09 PM  6 years agoPost 2
Jgatorman

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Lower head speeds are fine for a new person, PERIOD!

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01-27-2012 08:19 PM  6 years agoPost 3
mr dan

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yes and no on the headspeeds, its not the rpms that make the heli twitchy, its the pitch and cyclic pitch settings, I think the self proclaimed Pro could have taken time to listen in on the conversation and add any input where it was needed rather than snap on you. A better suggestion by him would have been to ask about the current setup, pitch range, cyclic pitch etc. He than could have suggested some setings that would tame down the newbies heli without having to lower the rpm's, adding some Exponential would be a great place to start. Depending on the model of heli, some headunits have link settings that will tame the total throw . Ther is alot he could have mentioned without being a first class prick about it.

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01-27-2012 08:43 PM  6 years agoPost 4
u8mydog

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I've always found the 500 likes a higher headspeed, otherwise it bobbles and can be harder to fly but it doesn't need a mentally high headspeed.

But with that said, the 'pro' could have used a much better approach. Such as lowering the headspeed until he finds when it starts to bobble. Then assist the newb in understanding how to adjust head speed to his liking. Maybe the 'pro' finds the machine slow but that's just what a newb needs.

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01-27-2012 08:49 PM  6 years agoPost 5
RCHSF

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You were in the right, he was in the wrong for coming out his mouth like that.
I would have told him to go fly a f**ing plank right up his rectum.

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01-27-2012 09:02 PM  6 years agoPost 6
rchelichop

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He's a jerk plain a simple. I have been flying for quite a while myself and even on new to me helis, I don't just crank up the headspeed right off the bat. I start slow and work my way to it to make sure everthing is holding.

For sure, the heli is far less intimidating with low headspeed and much less twitchy, especially for a beginner. Not to mention the danger of getting hit with higher headspeed is far greater, so it is even safer too. Tell that guy to pull out the boom stuck up his a$$, what a jerk.

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01-27-2012 09:20 PM  6 years agoPost 7
127.0.0.1

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I wasn't trying to get the guy to lower the head-speed too drastically (I knew it may become unstable), just to the point that it didn't sound so intimidating.

Thanks for all the feedback guys. At least now I know I didn't break some "cardinal rule" of the flying fields.

I think I'm going to go back tomorrow and talk to this guy. At the very least to get his opinion on why someone shouldn't lower the head-speed. Maybe he had a point that I didn't understand, who knows.

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01-27-2012 09:26 PM  6 years agoPost 8
rchelichop

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Odds are my friend this guys head is so far in the clouds from his larger than a dirigible airship ego that if you disagree with him he will obviously always be right from his point of view. I see it even on the forums and I just quit trying to convince those that simply will not listen or try to understand a different point of view.

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01-27-2012 09:47 PM  6 years agoPost 9
BarracudaHockey

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If his sponsor saw him acting like that he probably would go back to flipping burgers on the weekends.

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01-27-2012 10:45 PM  6 years agoPost 10
MichiganFlyer

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The learning of flight!
Unlike planes with a buddy box, a connected instructor and instructions to follow to become a pilot. Learning heli flight has no rules to learning how to learn to fly a heli. Many guys(probably more now than ever) teach themselves after some setup help. We do our sim time, we use a training gear at first, we lower our throttle curve to a comfortable speed, our collective is at a lower percentage and we are nervous but happy about our setup because it feels comfortable to learn with the way our heli is setup.
To high of headspeed or too fast of collective will surely deter a new person from even wanting to learn. Fear is going to be thier only reaction every time the heli spools up. That intimidating factor will quickly turn them away from the hobby.
My wife is trying to learn heli flying and for Christmas I bought her a mCPx. In normal mode the throttle goes to 70% at mid stick and is at 70% all the way to full stick. She realy liked that I set it up like that. It won't pop up an down like a linear curve and that fact made her comfortable and she wants to learn. Now we just need it to warm up outside. She would like the room to learn and the grass to crash on.
Everyone learns there own way.

As for the "Pro", he should stick to flying and not helping.

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01-27-2012 11:24 PM  6 years agoPost 11
ticedoff8

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Was the instructor a jerk - maybe.

And, that's the point of this thread - right?
Higher or lower head speed are not important.

But...
Having said that, it is a major pain in the a** when an instructor gets kneecapped by someone that walks in a from left field. I hate it, and I've been there.

You should have told the "student" to talk to his instructor about lower head speeds and how it would effect his ability to learn. If the student didn't like the instructors answer, then it is his responsibility to find someone else - maybe you would volunteer?

I watch "instructors" screw up all the time - and I've learned that unless I want to adopt the newb as my new student, it is best to let it go. It's hard, but let it go.

Was the instructor a jerk - or just really tired of having other newbs come in and screw up his students with unsolicited and (in some case - maybe not yours) incorrect "advice".

Remember, there is a difference between being a teacher and just trying to show off your "knowledge".

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01-27-2012 11:25 PM  6 years agoPost 12
Ladymagic

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No there's no "code of ethics" when it comes to advise. How you present advise initially may be a factor is in how it's percieved,but you didn't break any unspoken rule. I think this guy's reaction to your suggestion stemed from a hit to his ego. You basically told said that the settings this guy set for your friend were wrong and that fact was made more insulting by the fact that you are new pilot too. From what you've said, it sounds like he's really into himself and thinks he knows everything there is to know about the hobby. I've been flying helis since 2002 and I can hang with the big dogs, and I'm still learning and would never be so egotistical as to think that am the pinacle of the heli world.

When rendering advise, you should always take care to cater your suggestions to the pilot's needs and experience and also to the heli's capabilities. Sound's like this guy basically gave your friend settings of his own personal preference and didn't think about what your friend really needed or wanted. I bet he probably set your friend's Tx himself and didn't even bother to explain what or why he was doing what he was doing. I've met a few guys like that in my time as a new pilot. He should have asked what type of performance needs your friend was looking for and set his Tx accordingly whilst explaining the what and the why so the other guy could make future adjustments as he needed them.

I doubt he's a sponsored pilot. On top of the fact that most sponsored pilots are very appoachable and helpful I think you should watch him first. Have you seen him fly? If so, did it seem "Szabo" like or more like a sloppy, repetative mess? Probably the latter. I've talked to guys like that and they talk a good game, but their flights are horrible to watch. This won't be the last time you'll run into guys like that so just do what you can to not be like them Have fun and happy learning! Don't be afraid to lend your knowledge to people who are in need.

Mellisa

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01-27-2012 11:44 PM  6 years agoPost 13
Dood

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Lower head speeds are fine for a new person, PERIOD!
Does anyone see the irony of writing out "PERIOD" and ending with an exclamation point, QUESTION MARK

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01-27-2012 11:54 PM  6 years agoPost 14
DaytonHeliWife

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I know when my husband was just starting out, he took EVERYONE's advice, and played around, seeing what he was comfortable with. And when someone would come in with the "I'M THE FREAKING HELI GOD OF THIS FIELD" attitude, he politely listened to what he had to say, and disregard the attitude. The new guy is lucky that someone (you) came over to him and gave him advice that could very well get him pushed in the right direction to be the pilot he wants to be. And if it was such a problem that "OMFG you're not sponsored WTF are you doing telling that new guy what to do??!!??!" came out, then maybe he, as the "PRO" of the field should have talked to him first instead of being too busy.

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01-27-2012 11:55 PM  6 years agoPost 15
Santiago P

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@127.0.0.1

Good Reps and Pros are some of the most helpful and humble people, who know how to respectfuly disagree, while being cordial and remaining true gentlemen. (or ladies)
Your "local pro" may soon be ex-sponsored for his inmature behavior.

You did nothing wrong.

Santiago

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01-28-2012 01:15 AM  6 years agoPost 16
127.0.0.1

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I'm glad for all the feedback. It's becomming more and more clear that this guy was just a jackass. I guess what made me call all this into question was that nobody else at the field took up for me. Maybe I'm just being a little over-sensative about the situation though.

But just to be clear, the dude that I was trying to help wasn't receiving lessons from this guy or anything. Last Saturday was the first time he was ever at an R/C field and was looking for help. Specifically, he says that the "sound of the heli intimidated" him. Literally, all I said was "maybe you could try turning the headspeed down" and this guy jumps all over me.

Anyway, I'm going to go back tomorrow and see if he tries to smooth things over with me, or this other guy (if he shows up). I truely don't care either way, just want to see if maybe I took what he meant out of context.

Thanks for all the feedback guys!

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01-28-2012 01:50 AM  6 years agoPost 17
Zaneman007

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What is the point
From what you've stated.

They guy is a jerk, and a hot head to boot. You can't talk to jerks. That's what makes them Jerks in the first place.

I'd just walk away.

Old Guys Rule!

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01-28-2012 02:43 AM  6 years agoPost 18
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Was they guy working with the other noob? How did he come to get involved in your conversation? I'm not taking sides, and I definitely don't condone his attitude, but if he was working with the other guy, I can see where he objected to you getting involved. However he could have used a little (read that as a lot) tact.

Edit - didn't see your last post when I made mine. Yeh, the guy sounds like one of the self professed all important jerks you see in every endeavor.

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01-28-2012 03:13 AM  6 years agoPost 19
127.0.0.1

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I know the other "newb" and the "pro" had conversation prior to the conversation I had with the "newb". Apparently, the "pro" had recommended the stock motor and gearing @ 90% throttle. This "newb" guy said that he felt this headspeed was a intimidating, so I recommended he turn it down (just to lessen the intimidation). I understand that I should let the "more experienced" pilots teach the "newbs", but c'mon...

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01-28-2012 03:17 AM  6 years agoPost 20
DaytonHeliWife

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Personally, if I was flying a $3000 machine, I'm not going to let a "pro" tell me I can do that piro flip, just because I can hover tail in and he thinks that I can. I'm only going to do what I'm comfortable with, and I bet your suggestion helped that guy.

I'd love to do a revisit here in a year and see if this pro still has all of his sponsors.....

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