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01-30-2012 12:02 AM  6 years agoPost 81
Dennis (RIP)

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Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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01-30-2012 12:04 AM  6 years agoPost 82
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the guy had a birth certificate....

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01-30-2012 12:13 AM  6 years agoPost 83
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Not in this case.
Not until the Supreme Court defines "Natural Born".
Thats the grey area.
Guys just listen to what he's saying. He's right. Dennis might be a right wing extremist, but he's no fool . More than likely all this is going to be thrown out. I bet you it's not even going to make it to the Suprem Court.

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01-30-2012 12:19 AM  6 years agoPost 84
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Sorry guys, that was Bonzo not Bama...but wait a minute that show was Bedtime for Bonzo...maybe that was a precursor for Lights Out For Obama. That would be a great election ad showing Obama trying to turn on the lights in the White House only to find out the bills weren't paid!!

Watch at YouTube

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01-30-2012 12:19 AM  6 years agoPost 85
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Guys just listen to what he's saying. He's right. Dennis might be a right wing extremist, but he's no full . More than likely all this is going to be thrown out. I bet you it's not even going to make it to the Suprem Court.
Could be.

But, if Georgia's court rules against the Obummer, that issue is very liable to snowball to other states very quickly.

Thats what happened in the states over ObummerCare. Almost exactly. Only, on this issue, it could happen very quickly.

All, ultimately to be decided by the Supreme Court.

Hey, win or loose, don't matter to me. I would like to see it go all the way to SCOTUS. At least then, they would have to decide the meaning of "Natural Born" once and for all.

But, still the eligibility for placing the Obummer on ballots in the states could get quite entertaining.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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01-30-2012 12:38 AM  6 years agoPost 86
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THe sad thing is that the chimp would have made a better Pres!

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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01-30-2012 02:59 AM  6 years agoPost 87
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There is no question about the definition of what a "natural born citizen" of the United States of America is. The Supreme Court ruled on this issue four times with Minor Vs Happersett in 1875 being the most quoted.

The United States Supreme Court, in Minor v, Happersett, ruled that:
“Natural Born Citizen” was defined as children born of two U.S. citizens – regardless of the location of the birth. It found: “The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.”

And for your viewing pleasure the other three cases from the Supreme Court on said subject.

The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)
“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.
“The inhabitants, as distinguished from citizens, are strangers who are permitted to settle and stay in the country. Bound by their residence to the society, they are subject to the laws of the state while they reside there, and they are obliged to defend it…

Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)
16 years later the Supreme Court heard the case regarding the dispute over the inheritance received by two daughters of an American colonist, from South Carolina; one of whom went to England and remained a British subject, the other of whom remained in South Carolina and became an American citizen. At the beginning of the case, Justice Story, who gave the ruling, does not cite Vattel per se, but cites the principle of citizenship enshrined in his definition of a “natural born citizen”:
Ann Scott was born in South Carolina before the American revolution, and her father adhered to the American cause and remained and was at his death a citizen of South Carolina. There is no dispute that his daughter Ann, at the time of the Revolution and afterwards, remained in South Carolina until December, 1782. Whether she was of age during this time does not appear. If she was, then her birth and residence might be deemed to constitute her by election a citizen of South Carolina. If she was not of age, then she might well be deemed under the circumstances of this case to hold the citizenship of her father, for children born in a country, continuing while under age in the family of the father, partake of his national character as a citizen of that country. Her citizenship, then, being prima facie established, and indeed this is admitted in the pleadings, has it ever been lost, or was it lost before the death of her father, so that the estate in question was, upon the descent cast, incapable of vesting in her? Upon the facts stated, it appears to us that it was not lost and that she was capable of taking it at the time of the descent cast.

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)
In this case, Wong Kim Ark, the son of 2 resident Chinese aliens, claimed U.S. Citizenship and was vindicated by the court on the basis of the 14th Amendment. In this case the Justice Gray gave the opinion of the court. On p. 168-9 of the record, He cites approvingly the decision in Minor vs. Happersett:
At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.
On the basis of the 14th Amendment, however, the majority opinion coined a new definition for “native citizen”, as anyone who was born in the U.S.A., under the jurisdiction of the United States. The Court gave a novel interpretation to jurisdiction, and thus extended citizenship to all born in the country (excepting those born of ambassadors and foreign armies etc.); but it did not extend the meaning of the term “natural born citizen.”

The United States has had 44 presidents (including Barack Obama). Of these 44 presidents, 34 were born after 1787 (the year the Constitution was adopted) and were therefore subject to the "natural born citizen" requirement. With only two exceptions, every one of these 34 presidents was born in the United States, of parents who were both U.S. citizens (Natural Born Presidency). The two exceptions were Chester Arthur and Barack Obama. While running for office in 1880, Chester Arthur lied to newspaper reporters about his family history (and later burned most of his family records), thereby concealing the fact that, when he was born, his father (William Arthur) was British subject, not a U.S. citizen.

This will never go to the Supreme Court because there is no doubt about the definition of "Natural Born Citizen" per the Constitution as upheld in 4 previous cases. There is only one way the Georgia court can rule on this without trying to re-write the Constitution and say the Supreme Court has been wrong 4 times.

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01-30-2012 03:44 AM  6 years agoPost 88
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Thanks for posting that pctomlin.

Now we know why it could and should be very, very easy for a state like Georgia to rule against the Obummer and keep him off their ballot.

Once that happens, it could snowball to quite a few of the other states.

If could get FUN !!

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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01-30-2012 10:52 AM  6 years agoPost 89
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So it looks like the president of the united states might not be elagible to run for the presidency of the united states......

YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE..IF YOU LIVE IT RIGHT THATS ALL YOU NEED

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01-30-2012 02:08 PM  6 years agoPost 90
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There is no "might" about it. ODUMBO never was and never will be eligible to be President. The American people were duped in 08 by the democrats.

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01-31-2012 03:03 AM  6 years agoPost 91
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Copy it before I get in trouble

http://www.facebook.com/groups/1029857 http://northern-indiana-modelers-association.synthasite.com/

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01-31-2012 04:49 AM  6 years agoPost 92
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Fwiw...

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01-31-2012 11:56 AM  6 years agoPost 93
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nice...

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01-31-2012 07:13 PM  6 years agoPost 94
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That is not nice what that lady a matter of fact she's not a lady
lady will act plesantly she's a little ghetto AZZ whore
trying to make sale off the president she just humilated her self,

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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01-31-2012 07:45 PM  6 years agoPost 95
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I think the caption should be:

Obama: "You put that finger in my face again, you ole' hag and I'll have Seals Team 6, knocking down your front door in no time. Got it?"

I think that's much better.

Machete, don't text!

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01-31-2012 07:50 PM  6 years agoPost 96
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Or, wait I got another one:

Brewer: "You see this finger here? This is the finger I point to my Bar keep when he's threatening to cut me off for the night"

That's a good one.

Machete, don't text!

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01-31-2012 07:52 PM  6 years agoPost 97
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I like this one better:

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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01-31-2012 07:53 PM  6 years agoPost 98
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"Pull my finger.Michelle told me you like that one"

http://www.facebook.com/groups/1029857 http://northern-indiana-modelers-association.synthasite.com/

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01-31-2012 07:53 PM  6 years agoPost 99
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Funny stuff Dennis.

Machete, don't text!

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01-31-2012 07:57 PM  6 years agoPost 100
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Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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