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01-24-2012 06:43 PM  7 years ago
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RM3

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Sponsored pilots, can they be trusted?
OK,
I'm sure that this will stir up emotions. But I have been burned a few times by the whole idea that just because "3d supersport Joe flies it, it must be a good product..."

So do you trust what a sponsored pilot says or "wears on his shirt" as being a good product?

Who do you trust to tell the truth?
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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01-24-2012 06:46 PM  7 years ago
Darren Lee

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In the words of Ronald Reagan, "trust, but verify." Team Synergy / Rail Blades / Morgan Fuel
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01-24-2012 06:48 PM  7 years ago
Wingman77

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some of it is just knowing the background of the people if someone has a different sponsor every year and is telling everyone each time they are the best ever than that is not so good for credibility. also most reps are reps because they have good knowledge about how helis fly and how to build them ect.... so listen to what they say and if it is about how the product is just the best ever and everything with an explanation than that is not so good for credibility. Just listen for what specific things reps say, most of the time they are knowledgeable and if you are getting specific information it is much more likely not to be biased.
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01-24-2012 06:52 PM  7 years ago
w.miller

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only way to know if a heli is as good as people say it is, is to go se it at an event. Watch how hard the "Pro" beats on it and how many times it flys and judge for your self. Someone told me once you cant be the best unless you fly the best so typically the top 7 at xfc are flying good machines.
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01-24-2012 06:54 PM  7 years ago
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So do you trust what a sponsored pilot says or "wears on his shirt" as being a good product?
No. Not from just that singular bit of info anyway. But it's not always their fault. They can't exactly go around and slam a product they represent. It's a sales job, not a merit badge.
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01-24-2012 07:40 PM  7 years ago
Steff Giguere

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I think some maybe most can but certainly not 100% of the sponsored pilots can be trusted. Same goes with everyone's opinions on these forums, guys like what they like, does not mean the are right or wrong.Team Synergy, Rail blades, Team Scorpion, V-Team
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01-24-2012 07:57 PM  7 years ago
Richardmid1

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The bottom line is, using what the pro's use doesn't make you fly any better! Do your own research and if it works for you then stick with it.60% of the time, it works every time!
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01-24-2012 07:57 PM  7 years ago
2tall

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To me the concept of sponsorship implies only that the OEM/Distributor believes the skills, public presence, and character of a particular pilot are a good match for their product line and company goals. In turn, that pilot believes that the product line and backing from the sponsor are a good match for his or her personal expectations.
So do you trust what a sponsored pilot says or "wears on his shirt" as being a good product?
In this context "Good" is subjective. But yes, I do assume that a sponsored pilot would not be representing/flying a product that would inhibit that pilot's ability to compete against his peers. For the rare few capable of competing at the highest levels I think the opportunity and drive to win is the primary concern.

In those instances where a design fails to meet expectations the sponsored pilot would/should be involved in effecting improvements. Or, failing that, moving to a better line.
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01-24-2012 08:07 PM  7 years ago
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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some of it is just knowing the background of the people if someone has a different sponsor every year and is telling everyone each time they are the best ever than that is not so good for credibility.
I get tired of these guys who fly for "Brand X" this year and then fly for "Brand Y" the next year. They are just out there trying to get the best deal possible and have not loyalty to anyone.

I fly what I believe in, and I promote the products I believe in. If manufacturers and owners want to give me free parts or free stuff as thanks for promoting their brand, I'm not going to refuse it. But I would like to think that every piece of equipment in my possession was personally chosen by me because I think it's the best piece of equipment available on the market today. And I would like to think that every piece of equipment that I recommend that someone else buy, I recommend it to them because I honestly believe deep down in my soul that it is the very best piece of equipment.

Anything else would make me a phony.

Sure, I wear hats and shirts from whoever gives me a free hat or shirt, but that's different. At least I think it is.

But there are guys I meet who are "parts whore$" and are always willing to do or say whatever it takes for a freebie. However I have noticed that for guys like this, their time in the hobby always ends up being pretty short.

It's the guys who have been around for a long time who you can really trust to tell you the truth.
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01-24-2012 08:35 PM  7 years ago
scootr

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So why did Bobby leave MA after all this time?
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01-24-2012 08:54 PM  7 years ago
CX1

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Voltz Batteries comes to mind.

no I don't trust any of em. do your research
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01-24-2012 09:03 PM  7 years ago
Egroeg

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Some things one can identify by the looks.
Other things look good but have invisible flaws.
Some things inspire confidence and have CREATED themselves a good reputation.
One can never be on the safe side.
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01-24-2012 09:08 PM  7 years ago
RM3

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+1 CX1, scootr,
thats my point...especially on Lipos, engines, Gyros and blades.

At what point do you say to a sponsored pilot: "dude, do you realize many, many others have actually tried that product and its considered garbage?"
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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01-24-2012 09:10 PM  7 years ago
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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dude, do you realize many, many others have actually tried your product and its considered garbage?
There are people who are only in this hobby for money, free parts, or recognition. They don't care what other's think about their "recommendations".

But some people are in this hobby just because they love the hobby.
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01-24-2012 09:14 PM  7 years ago
puma1824

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scootr Checkout this interview for a possible answer LINK
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01-24-2012 10:00 PM  7 years ago
nwmtech

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You also have to try and not put pilots and field reps into the same category. Sponsored pilots are put on a pretty tight leash as far as what they can say so you'd better expect all the answers are going to be pro whatever brand they fly. It's not particularly their fault but rather just how the game goes.

Also, don't think for a single second just because Joe Blow pilot flies heli it's good. That's probably the single biggest mis-conception out there. Any pro pilot can make something look amazing in the air and while you might come across a video on the forums of him smacking the crap out of it what you didn't see is the 2 other helis falling apart it took to make that video. There's not a huge amount of cash flow going around in this hobby and don't think for a second people won't do what it takes to get their part.

Personally, I think you'll gain to learn more from field reps. Again, you really have to go into it with your bull**** radar on because I'd be lying if I said it wasn't out there. Plenty of people will put their skirts and pom poms on just to say they're a part of the company in any way but for the most part these are people who were flying these helis/parts before they had anything to do with a sponsorship and they do truly believe in them.

The biggest thing to remember is this... all helis have issues! It doesn't matter what brand, or who's flying it. The pilots/reps who are willing to acknowledge those issues and help provide you with the resources,parts, or information to help you fix it are the real deal. If you find the answers to your questions are constantly ignored or danced around then common sense you would say I'd be looking elsewhere.
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01-25-2012 01:00 AM  7 years ago
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this kind of thing is far from limited to helis.The same thing goes on with Guitar and amp endorsements.You will see guys in magazines endorsing certain gear but you sometimes see different gear when you see them play live.Or the same guy will be endorsing a different guitar/amp every so often,whatever they can get for free.

You just have to sort through the BS and determine whos genuine
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01-25-2012 02:01 AM  7 years ago
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Look at it this way.

For practically every (not all) RC heli product out there is a sponsored pilot attached to it and promoting it as something that is good and worth buying so by that logic everything is really good and you should buy it.

It's all advertising and it works.
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01-25-2012 02:17 AM  7 years ago
fenderstrat

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well if you think about it you see a lot of posts asking "has anyone tried brand x batts,how do they perform?" or "what do you guys think of gyro A" people want to know about a product before they buy and a main way for manufacturers to do that is get the product out to the fields and funflys.Are you going to do that with a guy who flies at a park near his house or someone like Bobby watts who attends all kinds of very public events,with lots of coverage

A lot of people will also say if pilot X can beat on it and it works it should work for me.Sponsored pilots are just another form of advertising
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01-25-2012 02:51 AM  7 years ago
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I don't trust sponsored pilots. They smell bad, they talk loud, they curse all the time.. Oh, wait that's cowboys, isn't it?
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