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01-24-2012 06:28 AM  6 years agoPost 1
bonedaddy465

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I know this has been hashed out a million times on here probably, and I did see one thread where someone put a set of 600 skids on a 450 bird.

But are there not any aftermarket Skids to make birds a little taller and wider? I saw an interesting set that had springs in them, spider skids, but it looks like they are out of business.

I have a very nice scale coming and the skids look a little small to me and I was wondering who would make some nice wide aftermarkets for it? Thanks

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01-25-2012 02:51 AM  6 years agoPost 2
tasmanian devil

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Make your own.A little brake tubing and silver solder work wonders.

I do'nt crash,I just rearrange parts.

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01-25-2012 04:46 AM  6 years agoPost 3
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+1 on the Brake line tubing. Copter Doctor and a few others helped me get up the nerve recently to make up a set of new skids for a 450 sized UH-1D.

Bought a $9 tubing bender at Harbor Freight, about a 4 or 5 foot length of 6mm brake line from the local Auto Zone store, a tubing cutter from my plumbing supplies, and silver solder.

Took me a few hours, but well worth it.

Before, it just looked weird:

After:

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01-25-2012 05:01 PM  6 years agoPost 4
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nice job!!!

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01-25-2012 05:11 PM  6 years agoPost 5
Jockobadger

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How strong is the silver solder joint? I'm curious because I'm fabbing a camera mount and I'm wondering about using this technique for non-load bearing areas (or normally-oriented loads e.g. vertical loads). Thanks.

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01-25-2012 05:14 PM  6 years agoPost 6
coptercptn

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silver solder is very strong!!!! almost as good as welding!!

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01-25-2012 05:25 PM  6 years agoPost 7
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That's all I need to know. Btw, I have some silver solder, but is there a specific grade that I should be using? I'm going to the store later today. Thanks

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01-25-2012 06:22 PM  6 years agoPost 8
coptercptn

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beware of "Silver bearing" solder, not as strong. Primarily used in electronics...

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01-25-2012 07:24 PM  6 years agoPost 9
bonedaddy465

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Will a butane torch get the silver solder hot enough or am I going to have use a propane torch? Is the Brake line Brass or copper? I have all the tools to do it I was just looking in the replacement route first.

Getting them level and square is going to be a pain in the oops...
I'd probably have to make ten sets to get them perfect.LOL

Will this brake line be able to take a rough landing if you have to without bending all to hell? I guess a rough landing is going to cripple anything you put on the helicopter, even titanium. LOL

DKshema, nice job, but I am a little confused. Doesn't the original set you have there look more scale? Looks like you shortened them and made them narrower to me in the pictures. Just curious to what you were going for. No disrespect....

Aren't there any companies left that make custom skids that are wider than stock? Looks like there would be a market for them, especially for beginners like me.

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01-25-2012 07:29 PM  6 years agoPost 10
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The set he made, that are lower and with a sort of lower set to the back, are definitely very scale. The originals look like they belong on a long-ranger or something.

I have a high-end soldering iron - I assume it will work for the silver solder - including heating the tubing up prior to beginning application of the solder? Thanks much for the help Dr.

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01-25-2012 07:41 PM  6 years agoPost 11
coptercptn

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Brake line is either steel or stainless steel... yes the torch will work. Soldering iron?.. probably not enough heat for the mass. You need a fine point torch to concentrate the heat and then be carefull not to use too much heat..
It takes some practice... oh.. and good flux.

As far as oversize gear for beginners?.. that is what the hula hoops and training balls are for.... if you are looking for scale you need to have already mastered the "Basics" of flight?

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01-31-2012 12:53 AM  6 years agoPost 12
bonedaddy465

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Coptercapt, I really didn't mean as a training aid although it could help. I just got a 450 EC135 and the skids look small for scale fuselage, don't look long or wide enough to me. Would a set of 500 skid bars fit in the 450 brackets? That would make it longer so it would sit flat without a battery being in it. Or is the diameter of the skids larger as well? May just have to buy a set of 500s and see if they fit since there isn't that much difference in 450 and 500 scale is there? I have all the tube cutters and a whole workshop in my basement, just too damn lazy to do it. LOL Especially if there is a custom company that makes them.

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01-31-2012 01:04 AM  6 years agoPost 13
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I have 3 450's and a 500 and for mine at least, there's a significant difference in the mounting point locations, both length and width. You could drill new holes in the 500 lg though and make them fit.

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01-31-2012 01:14 AM  6 years agoPost 14
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yeah don't think a 500 skid will fit very well on a 450...

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02-01-2012 03:44 AM  6 years agoPost 15
bonedaddy465

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Sorry, not getting it!! I was wondering if just the aluminum skid bar itself from a 500 size would fit in the 450 skid brackets and if so how much longer would it be than a 450 skid? Is the diameter of the skid bar on a 500 larger than the 450, if so never mind it won't fit in the brackets that way?

Could someone that has a 500 give me the width of the brackets at the bottom where the skids are and the length of the skid bar itself. I could figure out if it's worth the trouble, save me from buying a set to try. Thanks so much for your help. Boney

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02-01-2012 04:00 AM  6 years agoPost 16
dkshema

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The skid tubes will NOT fit a set of 450 cross struts. The tubes are much bigger diameter.

There is a world of difference between the size of things on a 500-sized heli and a 450. They are not "close" to each other in size.

If you want skids that meet your needs, make some. All it takes is time, a few simple tools, silver solder, and some skill.

Trying to install 500-sized skids to your 450-scale heli will make it look REALLY weird AND it will be REALLY heavy, too.

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Take a step or two back. If I recall correctly, you've just discovered RC helis and want to build and fly something scale. Figure out how to setup and fly a pod and boom heli first, the rest will come easier.

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02-01-2012 08:09 AM  6 years agoPost 17
bonedaddy465

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DK that's what I'm doing right now, I have two Walkera's, A 180z pro fixed pitch bird and a 4f200 Cp bird. Right now I'm flying the 180z pro every other day, as a matter of fact I flew today. After I get the hang of these two, I'll advance to the EC-135 450 I just got.

I just didn't think the EC-135's skids looked wide enough or long enough for the body. And I was looking for the easy route. If there had been a short cut to save some time, I would have took it, since this bird is already built. Since there isn't I will build a set, no big deal just as said, time consuming. In a couple weeks I'll post with some newly built skids on my EC-135. Don't worry, I'm not going to consider flying the scale birds until I'm confident I can do so.

When I said before I want to build one, I do, from top to bottom a beauty like my boats.I just love building and tinkering with kits so much I thought it would be wise to trade a boat or two of mine in the gallery to get kits to build. And then later add Scale bodies. This is part of the learning experience also. I need to know how so why not start now while learning to fly.

I'm no newbe to RC building, I've had over 15 years experience with boats, trucks, and have a full workshop in my basement. I'm just new to flying choppers. I've built over 120 Trucks and boats. Most were built tested and sold, never made any real money on them, just gave me something to do and cover my hobby. A lot of them with parts from several different kits or parts I made myself. I have one that I call Frankenstien Spiderman truck, it has parts from 5 different kits.

I've also built competition 45 ACP handguns, Custom knives and Custom Electric guitars. I'm not a braggart, but I have a knack for looking at something and being able to build one like it. I can't play a guitar for crap, but I have astonished three guitar builders with my work. They couldn't understand how I could build one and set it up perfect, but not play it.

I took a couple of years off, due to illness, I have a rare condition that I was born with that I have to have IV meds twice a month and over the years it's getting worse. It has attacked my joints and am in pain most of the time. I also have a lot of fluid on my joints and in my lungs from time to time, so I do the best I can.

I'm pretty excited for the first time in a long while to get back into the hobby and to start building again.

Thanks guy's for the info and help.......... Boney

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02-01-2012 11:17 AM  6 years agoPost 18
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How strong is the silver solder joint?
Boney,

in order of strength - Lead Solder, Jeweler's Solder, Silver Solder, Brazing, Welding.

Use a Propane torch rather than a Butane one to get the required temperature and ensure all surfaces are degreased and brightened - scrub with a steel wire brush to remove any oxidisation. You can get packs of Silver Solder with flux coating on them, easier to use than a separate flux of which there are several types.

+1 on the guitar work!

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