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01-27-2012 06:48 PM  6 years agoPost 81
WannaBe4D

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the Military as a whole uses Windows. not just the army.

There are people who bring in their personal macs to do work on, but they are not allowed to connect them to the milnet.

why do they use pc's?

does built by the lowest bidder ring a bell.

Most of my office pc's while I was in were dells.
See, it's stuff like this that drives me nuts. Stuff like this is said by people who haven't the faintest idea of what their talking about.

MILNET is a term that hasn't been used in almost 20 years, which is about as old as the information your spewing about uncautiously.

Most government technical contracts based off a Lowest Cost Technically Acceptable matrix, not, as you say "by the lowest bidder."
they are not allowed to connect them to the milnet.
They're not allowed to connect them, yet DISA provides guidance (STIGs) to connect them. Yep, makes sense to me.

Sorry to get so far off the main topic of the thread, again, but I really dislike it when people spread bad information.

Most of the time, I can be seen having more ambition than skill.

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01-27-2012 07:06 PM  6 years agoPost 82
duff

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Dell corp. line is pretty reliable.

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01-27-2012 08:34 PM  6 years agoPost 83
BDIS

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I'm not trying to put you on blast, or disagree with you on anything you've said, but going with the "keeping it real" theme in this thread, where in Tifton, GA or the surrounding area, do you hold this position?
Are you trying to say that there can be no large companies/banks outside of major metropolitan areas?? A little short sighted if you ask me. I manage the people that put their hands directly on these systems so when I say I Manage and maintain these systems I am NOT stretching of the truth. Also my profile is outdated. I no longer live in Tifton. I live in Hahira, just outside of Valdosta.

I only spent 4 years in the USMC but it was long enough to realize that the Military and Corporate America are 2 totally different animals.

I cannot list on a public forum what bank I work for; however if you live in the South East, chances are you have seen one of our banks.

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01-27-2012 08:37 PM  6 years agoPost 84
Mike Fortin

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Using your Apple every day keeps the viruses away!

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01-27-2012 08:57 PM  6 years agoPost 85
WannaBe4D

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Are you trying to say that there can be no large companies/banks outside of major metropolitan areas??
Of course thats not exactly what I mean. I just think that 12,000 is a HUGELY disproportionate number for that area. I mean 12,000 business desktops?! That's A LOT of computers. Like I said, I not trying to put you on blast, or start an argument. The numbers just didn't make sense to me. No disrespect intended.

Curious, what did you do in the Marine Corps? Where at?

Most of the time, I can be seen having more ambition than skill.

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01-27-2012 09:33 PM  6 years agoPost 86
BDIS

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Started off at MCLB Albany as a Tuba player in the Band and ended up mainly as a Live Sound Engineer!

Anyways, MOST large commercial banks don't have just one location. Ours are spread out over several states and we are growing. :-D

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01-27-2012 09:34 PM  6 years agoPost 87
BDIS

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Using your Apple every day keeps the viruses away!
Thats pretty funny. I appreciate the laugh

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01-27-2012 11:39 PM  6 years agoPost 88
Sirgijoe

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Using your Apple every day keeps the viruses away!
here is a better quote for you

"From the garden of Eden, to the branches of Macintosh, Apple picking has always come at a great cost" ~ Marshall soulful Jones

OR, if that brilliant part of his poem didn't strike up as genius. here are a few more

<disclaimer - meant to be viewed as humor so don't get all butt hurt on me>

What's the difference between a MAC and a bucket of cow****?
Three pounds and a Gameboy screen

What's the difference between a brontosaurus and a Mac?
A brontosaurus runs faster.

Why did the retarded guy buy a Mac?
What do you mean? They're all retarded!

Seriously, why do these people buy Macs?
The boxes PCs come in are too hard for them to open.

What's the difference between a turd and a Mac?
Most turds aren't gray.

Why do so many Mac users continue to use Macs?
They're afraid they'd have to pierce the other ear in order to 'switch teams', if you know what I mean...

What did the Mac hater say when he saw several hundered Macintoshes buried half-way in cement?
Geez, I hope that guy's off getting some more cement...

How do you make your Mac go faster?
Drop it from a higher window.

How can you identify a Mac user at a party?
Ask him to help you word-process on your computer. He'll instinctively pull out a magnifying glass to see the screen.

What's a sure-fire way to piss off the new neighbors?
Eject a floppy from a Mac 1,000 times. ZZerzzit! Zzerzzzit! Zzzerzzzit!...

What's the second-best way?
Restart it 1,000 times so the infamous Mac-start-up-chime blasts forth from the speaker, or until they call the cops.

Why aren't more Mac owners computer literate?
They would be, if they had a computer.

How do you make a Mac run faster?
Smoke some marijuana just before using it, to alter your perception of time. There will be a noticeable speed increase, not only of the Mac but any clocks in the room as well. Now that's performance!

What's the difference between an Apple Lisa (predecessor of MAC) and a Game Boy?
Game boy has more memory and a higher-res screen, and greater color depth: 4 shades of green!

Why don't more Mac users get depressed about owning a Mac and commit suicide?
They don't know how ****ty their machine is, because they still haven't figured out how to turn it ON.

How do you recognize a Mac user at a computer store?
When he's asking the salesperson how much it would cost him to upgrade to a 33.6 Kbps transfer speed--and then realize he's referring to the hard drive.

How do you make a Mac disk drive access faster?
Wind it up again

What do you do with an obsolete Mac?
Whatever you do, don't pick it up off the store shelf and buy it!

How many Mac users does it take to change a light bulb?
Four. One to consult the manual that came with it, one to call tech-support, and two to sit and wait for the 'Smiley Face' to appear and say 'Welcome to Macintosh'.

Why aren't there more Macintosh SE's in use out there?
Too hard to find replacement tubes.

lol I figured this topic needed a little something extra!

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01-27-2012 11:56 PM  6 years agoPost 89
synodontis

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yes, the Macs in the old days were bad.

but now they dominate the consumer market and for a damn good reasons: they are friggin' nice, and this is from someone who programs for a living.

the iMac is an amazing piece of engineering and design. Apple take full responsibility in everything they do and the end result is a superior product.

Yes, I agree, their business practices are worrying me about how they treat their workers in that big plant in China, but all that aside most of the Apple stuff is wonderful. Apple has style and finesse, something completely lacking in the other PC manufacturers (well maybe apart from Sony but they never had much mainstream success with the VAIO did they?).

I have an iMac 24 going strong now for over 3 years, going to get a 27 maybe, maybe an iPad and MacBook Air etc. . . I won't touch the MacPro, just too damn noisy and not need considering what processing power we have nowadays - at least not in my line of work anyway.

it's amazing how everyone slags off Apple but fail to understand what technology is about.
Thats pretty funny. I appreciate the laugh
you know, you should pay the piano, at least then I can laugh at you all the time.

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01-27-2012 11:59 PM  6 years agoPost 90
Sirgijoe

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the Military as a whole uses Windows. not just the army.
There are people who bring in their personal macs to do work on, but they are not allowed to connect them to the milnet.
why do they use pc's?
does built by the lowest bidder ring a bell.
Most of my office pc's while I was in were dells.
See, it's stuff like this that drives me nuts. Stuff like this is said by people who haven't the faintest idea of what their talking about.
MILNET is a term that hasn't been used in almost 20 years, which is about as old as the information your spewing about uncautiously.
Most government technical contracts based off a Lowest Cost Technically Acceptable matrix, not, as you say "by the lowest bidder."
they are not allowed to connect them to the milnet.
They're not allowed to connect them, yet DISA provides guidance (STIGs) to connect them. Yep, makes sense to me.
Sorry to get so far off the main topic of the thread, again, but I really dislike it when people spread bad information.
the term MILNET I used loosely, to refer to the military network.

the built by the lowest bidder quote is widely know, and joked about on a daily basis in the military. which was what it was meant to be, a joke

I have been out a few years, got out in 2009, at which time I was a authorized PERMS Agent. As well as a Armory manager. I can assure you we didn't use Macs. Made weekly Trips to Various HQ's across the country, I can assure you, they didn't use Macs either < Lansing, Grayling, Fort Hood, Camp atterbury, to name a few>

Oh, and if you did get caught, plugging in a non Issues Military computer of any kind into the military network, you got the "Black screen of death" and a phone call to your installation manager. I used to get several a month, and trust me, they aren't the best call to get.

glad I could clear up any confusion for you!

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01-28-2012 12:41 AM  6 years agoPost 91
WannaBe4D

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There's a difference between:
we didn't use Macs
and
they are not allowed to connect them to the milnet
Get your stories straight.

Macs are absolutely allowed and approved to connect to NIPR. You can walk onto almost any Base/Post media/PAO office in the country and find them, connected to your "milnet." The Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA) provides Security and Technical Implementation Guidelines (STIGs) that guide you in securing these platforms so that they can be connected to NIPR.

Either way, I'm not wanting to present myself as a "one-upper" as it seems on this thread. If you wish to continue this conversation, PM me and I'll clear up any issues needed.

Most of the time, I can be seen having more ambition than skill.

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01-28-2012 12:45 AM  6 years agoPost 92
duff

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MAC fanboys cant be helped boys. They have no idea how MAC works under the hood. MAC OSX will become a much larger target in the coming years. Here is one link out of many that show MACs invincibility is a farse.

http://www.dailytech.com/Apples+OS+...rticle21097.htm

Is MAC OSX a great OS? you better beleive it! is it better then MS windows? depends on what you are using it for. Each have there place, just one OS has idiot fanboys that spread lies.

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01-28-2012 12:51 AM  6 years agoPost 93
WannaBe4D

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Excellent article. And I believe that for something like the last 4 years, OSX was the first platform to be pwnd in the Pwn2Own contest (Albeit via a browser exploit).

Either way, it's a good read. Or, if you're a Mac fanboy you could just continue to stick you're head in the clouds, err, iCloud.

Most of the time, I can be seen having more ambition than skill.

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01-28-2012 01:09 AM  6 years agoPost 94
duff

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I just love when my clients level 1 support people come to me asking how we handle a MAC fanboy request. They will find the most bizzare reasons to use their MACs. End of the day these computers are tools to get your job done. Get a life and worry about your core tasks that enhance your career.

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01-28-2012 01:17 AM  6 years agoPost 95
Sirgijoe

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There's a difference between:
we didn't use Macs
and
they are not allowed to connect them to the milnet
Get your stories straight.
Macs are absolutely allowed and approved to connect to NIPR. You can walk onto almost any Base/Post media/PAO office in the country and find them, connected to your "milnet." The Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA) provides Security and Technical Implementation Guidelines (STIGs) that guide you in securing these platforms so that they can be connected to NIPR.
Either way, I'm not wanting to present myself as a "one-upper" as it seems on this thread. If you wish to continue this conversation, PM me and I'll clear up any issues needed.
My intentions were never to "One up" anyone. 98% of my posts in this thread are implied to be humorous.

I have no wants or need to one up, argue, or debate useless issues with a forum full of people I would consider to be friends.

No need to PM you, as I took no offense to anything said in any posts put up here, and I seriously hope that no one took offense to anything I said either.

Sorry if you took my posts differently then I was trying to portray them to be,

lets get this back on topic!

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01-29-2012 02:52 AM  6 years agoPost 96
duff

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Pretty sure we summed this one up, can anyone close this topic?

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01-29-2012 06:00 AM  6 years agoPost 97
flmgrip

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Yes, I agree, their business practices are worrying me about how they treat their workers in that big plant in China, but all that aside...
Sadly no one cares... But I for one will never buy an other apple product again because of that...


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01-29-2012 02:06 PM  6 years agoPost 98
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Sadly no one cares... But I for one will never buy an other apple product again because of that...
That's nothing compared to what Michael Dell is doing to Americans in Round Rock (TX). Dell, along with Motorola and AMD, is one of the worst sources of unemployment, career destruction and misery in the entire Austin area. So if you want to boycott based on evil business practices, there's plenty to go around on the PC side.

Those companies hire and then fire literally by the tens of thousands over and over again; the unemployment offices there in central TX are absolutely overwhelmed there all the time with floods and floods of people that have been ejected from those horrible companies.

For example, when I was unemployed the first time there (back in the 2000-2002 crash) I once applied at Sears for a phone sales job. They had _1700_ applicants for that job. That's _1700_ applicants for a phone sales job that paid a little more than minimum wage.

second example: at the career guidance place I ended up at, I once sat in a room absolutely full of 25+ year Motorolans and others, virtually all of whom were within a year or two of retirement, but had simply been escorted out the door the previous morning with hardly a handshake. If pension fraud were still a prosecutable offense in the US, there could have been a class action lawsuit right in that room that would have been either won or settled out of court in about 10 minutes (in the former employees favor).

That's one of the main reason I left TX - recurrent, random/arbitrary unemployment, mainly due to the PC titans who've slithered into the place, with no place to go. You can't build a career in those places, you'll just be buried alive and Michael Dell will help shovel the dirt into your grave.

And you can be quite sure Dell exploits plenty of Chinese labor - they've been getting on that bandwagon too.

If there's anything that'll turn you away from the Tea Party and getting you reading Das Kapital, it's Round Rock,TX and Dell, and those other Cretins like AMD and Mot. You'll never browse newegg.com again after trying to make a living there for 30 years like I did. I couldn't flee TX fast enough once I got my current job out of state.

So Apple is by no means the only crooked element in all this. At least they maintain an office in Cupertino that hires US labor....

LS

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01-29-2012 03:05 PM  6 years agoPost 99
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Believe it or not unclejane you are supporting my argument...

Yes, all companies are outsourcing to other countries (and that's our unemployment problem), but some companies care less about labor practices than others... Apple is at the bottom of the list, American greed at its best, back when jobs was alive he said something like "it's not apples problem to fix the American economy..."

The sad fact is, that if I would want to buy truly American made, I wouldn't be able to buy anything.... Oh well maybe potatoes...


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01-29-2012 03:19 PM  6 years agoPost 100
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Yes, all companies are outsourcing to other countries (and that's our unemployment problem), but some companies care less about labor practices than others... Apple is at the bottom of the list, American greed at its best, back when jobs was alive he said something like "it's not apples problem to fix the American economy..."
Well that's kind of how I'm presenting it. The reality is, supporting any of these places is like the difference between getting kicked in the crotch 5000 times vs. getting kicked in the crotch 100,000 times (you pass out at about the 3rd kick regardless).

This is why I'm so amazed that movements like the Tea Party have such a huge following in our country - they support precisely the policies that encourage this kind of corporate criminal behavior, the type that's literally destroying the industrial infrastructure of our nation. And yet they've somehow convinced the rank and file that they're doing the opposite (looking after their interests), to the point that they're poised to literally take control of our government.

So in any case, Apple I put in the 5000-kicks class. PC manufacturers like Dell, AMD and Intel are in the 100,000-kicks class. So who are you going to support when those are your choices?

Well, it's kind of bleak no matter what, but I guess you have to go with the lesser evil. So I reluctantly, some years ago, decided to go with the 5000-kicks option and support Apple for that reason. I also have a few friends and former colleagues that still have managed to remain employed at Apple (and some of them are rich now, lucky slobs ) - I can't say the same for outfits involved in the PC. They're still shuffling people in and out of the unemployment line by the 10s of thousands every day and literally just eating alive the communities they've decided to grease their way into settling in (like central TX).

I can't bring myself to even browse newegg.com anymore, knowing the labor conditions, both here and abroad, that prevailed in the manufacture of the stuff.

Apple at least paid _some_ Americans to develop some of the technology.

That's apart from the technology itself, which I think is superior to Microsoft's in every measurable way. But to me, the labor issue is the larger, more important one.

LS

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