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01-27-2012 02:30 AM  6 years agoPost 61
woody37

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it's far more vibration tolerant that a rectifier diode array composed of individual diodes mounted to a PCB
Especially if you don't properly align the zenoah engine to the clutch assembly using 2 feeler gauges as well as ensuring the tail blades are properly balanced. Not doing these may certainly cause severe vibrations resulting in a crashed model and then fixed into a hangar queen.

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01-27-2012 02:35 AM  6 years agoPost 62
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Especially if you don't properly align the zenoah engine to the clutch assembly using 2 feeler gauges as well as ensuring the tail blades are properly balanced. Not doing these may certainly cause severe vibrations resulting in a crashed model and then fixed into a hangar queen.
Geez. Who would be dumb enough to do something like that?

But if you're in some way trying to insult me with your comment, I'll let you know that at long last I have a brand new Toxic Al TRM 231RS being built for me right now to go in my Spectra. So in a few weeks we will finally be able to see if my helicopter can fly vibration-free with a quality engine installed.

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01-27-2012 03:02 AM  6 years agoPost 63
rbort

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Woo double hoo!
I'll let you know that at long last I have a brand new Toxic Al TRM 231RS being built for me right now to go in my Spectra. So in a few weeks we will finally be able to see if my helicopter can fly vibration-free with a quality engine installed.
About time!! I remember when you were supposed to bring it to IRCHA in 2009 to get it sorted and just checked a PM to you back on July 15th I had about 710 flights on mine...

Happy to see you're going to give it a go, don't expect it to fly like your electric but fly it several flights in a row and you'll get used to it and how it handles and soon you'll get comfortable with doing very similar moves with it.

Good luck and enjoy,

-=>Raja.

MA 1005 Hanson 280, 4210 flts
Spectra 27 3DMax, 3288 flts
Whiplash V1-2 Hanson 300, 1570 flts
Whiplash V2 Hanson 300, 402 flts

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01-27-2012 04:02 AM  6 years agoPost 64
woody37

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But if you're in some way trying to insult me with your comment, I'll let you know that at long last I have a brand new Toxic Al TRM 231RS being built for me right now to go in my Spectra. So in a few weeks we will finally be able to see if my helicopter can fly vibration-free with a quality engine installed.
No insult, just giving my opinion based on facts. Didn't Zman take a toxic engine out of his 30 to try out your old one? Checking to see if your engine vibration theory was correct? If I recall, his final result was a smooth running RC Aftermarket engine. It was your conclusion too when you published your vibration free V-bar report. So when you get your toxic engine, make sure you have your cooling fan runout tollerances within .002" as well as 2 feeler gauges (approximately .020" ) to set the clutch hub tolerances. Don't forget to tighten and loctite the engine mount screws. Before you decide to fly it, have it checked out with an expert like Raja. I recommend this so another engine builder won't get blamed or "insulted".
Happy to see you're going to give it a go, don't expect it to fly like your electric but fly it several flights in a row and you'll get used to it and how it handles and soon you'll get comfortable with doing very similar moves with it.
True! These gasser's aren't plug and play that Justin is used to! He needs to ship it to you or take it this year so you can fix his build. It's time to properly build the queen!

Woody

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01-27-2012 04:44 AM  6 years agoPost 65
turboomni

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Congrats JUSTIN!!
I'll let you know that at long last I have a brand new Toxic Al TRM 231RS being built for me right now to go in my Spectra.
I am very happy for you !! That is great news! From your pics your Spectra is such a beautiful bird. I wish you all the best with the new engine!!

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them

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01-27-2012 05:51 AM  6 years agoPost 66
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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I am very happy for you !! That is great news! From your pics your Spectra is such a beautiful bird. I wish you all the best with the new engine!!
Thank you. I am happy about this news as well. It has been a long time coming. I am really happy to be working with Toxic Al now. He is a nice guy.

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01-27-2012 06:07 AM  6 years agoPost 67
Dood

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Good luck with the new engine.
Justin, on the chance you hate your gasser more than ever before and decide you want to break it with a 20lb maul, I'd like first dibs on your Spectra G.

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01-27-2012 06:15 AM  6 years agoPost 68
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Justin, on the chance you hate your gasser more than ever before and decide you want to break it with a 20lb maul, I'd like first dibs on your Spectra G.
The thing about working with Toxic Al is that he is always so friendly and nice. If you call him up, he will talk you through whatever issues you may have. And then he always ends every conversation (be it an email or a telephone conversation) with the words "Peace" which I think is a very nice touch. Toxic Al never makes you feel stupid, and he never makes you feel like it is all your fault. Toxic Al never blames you for things which are beyond your control, or makes up crazy excuses for why things don't work correctly. Overall, he is just a really nice guy and I highly recommend him for all engine building needs. Toxic Al has been building engines for at least 20 years now. He has been building helicopter engines for Miniature Aircraft for at least 7 years. In other words, Toxic Al is someone who many other highly experienced pilots who have been in the hobby for many years trust, and as a result I believe that he is someone who I too can trust to tell me the truth and to always steer me in the correct direction.

So to answer your question, no, I don't think working with Toxic Al will be at all frustrating. I'm not buying some sort of special experimental one-of-a-kind new engine from him. Toxic Al is building me the same tried-and-true TRM231RS that Sparx and Zman and Carey Shurley and everyone else who flies TRM engines have been using for the last several years. So this engine will not be anything experimental, and as a result I will not be forced to deal with unforseen issues, delays, or other problems. I see absolutely no reason why this TRM engine will not work well, and I see absolutely no reason why my Spectra will not fly well with the engine installed. And at the very least, if I do have a problem with the engine, I know that Toxic Al will be patient with me and never do anything crazy or threatening to try and hurt me. The guy writes "Peace" on every RunRyder thread. I seriously doubt he will ever call me up in the middle of the night and threaten me. And that makes me feel a whole lot better about things.

I met Toxic Al in early 2008, but at that time I was under the mistaken impression that a gas helicopter needed extreme power at the expense of everything else--and that kind of engine is not something which Toxic Al has ever offered for sale. But now I realize that a smooth running and consistent engine is far more important than anything else in a gasser. And I trust Toxic Al can build an engine like that for me. Toxic Al has been building smooth running modified Zenoah 231's for many years. And the engine I will receive from him in the next few weeks will be no different than any of the other hundreds (or even thousands) of engines that he has built for all of those satisfied customers who have come before me.

Toxic Al is a true professional, and a true gentleman. I am really looking forward to working with him. I will keep you updated on my progress with the Spectra.

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01-27-2012 12:48 PM  6 years agoPost 69
shawmcky

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Wow,sounds like you can really learn a lot and not just about engines,take a leaf from Al,s ways.Peace Brother

Team- unbiased opinion.K.I.S.S principle upheld here

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01-28-2012 04:22 AM  6 years agoPost 70
woody37

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I think everyone’s encouragement and praise will certainly motivate Justin to seek help from Al. I offered help to Justin just as Raja has himself. As usual, plug and play attitude.... Not willing

I honestly hope that Justin does not try to set this engine up and have problems with it and post for everyone to see that this engine vibrates too... If the post is at 2:00 in the morning, I guess he (Al) would call and wake his ass up too, especially when he has bent over backwards for him (well, maybe. It may come to that). Many engine builders make the comment to their customers that “you can’t teach stupid”. After I have seen and flown a Toxic engine, I have decided for myself my own personal opinion. I heard that Justin is getting this engine for free! After all, he is speaking highly of Al as everyone else that does gets pinked or scratched. The connection is there. I guess "some mechanics" can teach “stupid”. I never could.

Al makes great engines and I have nothing terrible to say about them. Al will learn that Justin is a puppet master and will do anything for attention and self satisfaction. I think he (Justin) is the only “rr Master” on Run Ryder (accomplished within a few years). That speaks for itself!! Justin has already spoken his opinion on gassers as he honored and appraised a plug and play system. He needs to post and publish in that forum as he should not give any creditable advice in the gasser forum.

That’s my opinion….
Good luck with the new engine.
Justin, on the chance you hate your gasser more than ever before and decide you want to break it with a 20lb maul, I'd like first dibs on your Spectra G.
Dood,

That helicopter should be sold to Miniature Aircraft as a show model for picture publicity. He is a great cake decorator but not much on baking the cake. He’s also a pretty good bull chitter….

Woody

edit: Oh yeah.. "Peace"

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01-28-2012 04:32 AM  6 years agoPost 71
turboomni

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Woody ,,I would say just to sit back and let the cards fall where they may. I understand where you are coming from ,,believe me ,,,but I would be really happy if Justin made it through this barrier and had a great gasser heli. After all he and we [to a far lesser extent] have been through the ringer with his project. Go Justin!!! GO TOXIC!! Lets make it happen!!

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01-28-2012 04:48 AM  6 years agoPost 72
woody37

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Woody ,,I would say just to sit back and let the cards fall where they may. I understand where you are coming from ,,believe me ,,,but I would be really happy if Justin made it through this barrier and had a great gasser heli. After all he and we [to a far lesser extent] have been through the ringer with his project. Go Justin!!! GO TOXIC!! Lets make it happen!!
Turbo, I agree.... He brings the past with him while it should be left behind. Almost every post.... This guy would get so much more help if he would stop blaming others and take responisibility for his own build and flight. He needs to move forward and quit living on the success and failure of others. Let things be! If he keeps bringing the past, so will I.. Seriously....

And yes, I had my gasser learning curves too... And yes, I did blame a manufacture on a clerical misprint on a user manual. I will leave it at that.

Woody

Edit: Again, "Peace"

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01-28-2012 05:00 AM  6 years agoPost 73
turboomni

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Woody I agree completely with you,,,He is now dealing with Toxic and he has a very long proven record and well deserved. I have not any experience with Toxic but is very highly regarded in every way. Let's see what happens.... please pass the popcorn....

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01-28-2012 05:06 AM  6 years agoPost 74
Dood

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Turbo, I agree.... He brings the past with him while it should be left behind.
It's pretty hypocritical of you to say this. Leave the past alone.

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01-28-2012 05:12 AM  6 years agoPost 75
woody37

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It's pretty hypocritical of you to say this. Leave the past alone.
Read the entire post before you post something like this. Obviously you are completely ignorant of what is going on. Resort back to biding on his hangar queen!

Woody

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01-28-2012 05:23 AM  6 years agoPost 76
Dood

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No, Woody. I'm not ignorant. I've read literally every thread in the gasser forum for YEARS before I've ever owned a gasser. I know who's who and what's going on. You're just an asshole. You want to talk about bring up old ****? Look back at every single post you've made in the gasser forum in the last 2 years. How many of them didn't make a reference to or personal attack on Justin? Answer: Not many. Yes Woody. You're a ****ing hypocrite.

Lay off him. Let him enjoy the hobby. If he's made a bad impression in the past, then give him an opportunity to prove himself again. And seriously-- stop being an asshole.

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01-28-2012 05:42 AM  6 years agoPost 77
woody37

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Dood, are your feelings hurt? My references were never towards you directly. Now that you have gotten personal, well lets see. You claim that you have read "literaly" every thread in the gasser forum. I would venture to say that you are incorrect in what this guy has done and all the posts he has deleted or edited to get him this far. My posts have not be rebutted or disputed until now. The only "un-edited posts" by Justin are the pinked ones. So, if you want to keep up this thread by "ignorant" comments, then lets have at it.

My wife says that name fits me well. But only when I'm right!

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Woody

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01-28-2012 04:14 PM  6 years agoPost 78
kogibankole

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lets try to build our dyno

if im not blade bogging youll find me pack puffing

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01-30-2012 03:47 PM  6 years agoPost 79
jgoodsell

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lets try to build our dyno
Amen to that !
(or whatever words you use in your religion/beliefs)

Jeffrey

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