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03-07-2012 09:06 PM  6 years agoPost 21
Santiago P

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I pm you my perspective

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03-08-2012 12:48 AM  6 years agoPost 22
krcnz

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@moneypitvictim - No no put your thoughts on here, no point making a comment and not sticking by it. We are all interested in what you might say. I personally wonder how much better the Align 700E F3C V2 (phew) could get with setup time etc - I understand this video is a slapped together heli out for a splat with the new fuse... I understand the Align will never be as fully capable as the Eagle, but I suppose thats what one would expect for an extra several thousand dollars. However in saying this wouldnt the Align with a bolt on fuse and the new head, be a half decent entry machine into F3C. Then again I wouldnt know - at the time I thought my Rave would be a good entry - pity theres no fuse for it (without a lot of modification :eek.

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03-08-2012 01:34 AM  6 years agoPost 23
brandon113

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Nope not even close to an Eagle, But it looks great.....

2 Freya Xspec, 1 Freya, Eagle2, Tsurugi, SDX
Hirobo nut.....

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03-08-2012 07:03 AM  6 years agoPost 24
Santiago P

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The comment is clear, same body, same world class pilot, diferent helicopter and gear, no fly-ondo the same-o.

I have never seen in any flights Hashimoto-san helicopter's bounce in the wind, EVER, but it does in this video. The cuban eights lack speed over the top, more so than ussual than his Eagle E setup.

I wish they have shown more hovering in the video, we would have seen any differences clearly.

If you think he would relax his way of flying because there are no judges behind him, think again. World class pilots like him never fly with any less effort when not at a contest.

Yes is cool body, but it won't make an Eagle out of a Trex. Even if you equipt the Trex with better gear, obviosly a must, that head will not react like the SSZ-V flown before.

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03-08-2012 07:44 AM  6 years agoPost 25
RLHeli

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That's the point isn't it. Champ Hasimoto and Kurokawa San are there to prove/improve a product. Yes it will be sad if this is just a marketing campaign to sell the fuse and not improving 700E-F3C but if they can make enough improvements on 700E-F3C so that it is close to an Eagle I think we the consumer will benefit. As far as I know/heard, a combo is coming, will it be Hashimoto special or not I don't know but looking at the pace of Align doing it they are pretty serious on this one. It has been 2 months but still no release date (is there one that I missed?).
I consider myself a pretty keen 3C flyer but buying a full set of Engle still does not balance out in my account book. We'll see but I hope they take their time and have it done right.
My 2 cents.

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03-08-2012 02:45 PM  6 years agoPost 26
Santiago P

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Not to completely go off tangent, very few folks can afford the latest Eagle E, or a Sylphide E12. That is why I fly a converted lowly Freya E with a SSZ-IV and mixers configured like a SSZ-V. It fles very well IMO and is an affordable solution with all the Hirobo reliability still there.

Better Trex 700E-F3C? Yes! it would be a good thing, better if Align ever decides to use better quality bearings and hardware.

My outcry would be for a Hirobo Freya E, with a entry level head that flies "like" their SSZ-V. But them, I have no idea what the real market is really asking with the proliferation of the knock off and cheap "supermarket" helicopters.

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03-08-2012 03:04 PM  6 years agoPost 27
unclejane

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Doh'.... and it's an electric lol. Wonder if they'll make a version of this fuse for the nitro for us old school old dudes who fly nitro?

Sure is pretty and I'd love to have one!

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03-09-2012 03:08 AM  6 years agoPost 28
Pappy35

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Nice but what's it going to cost?

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03-09-2012 03:15 AM  6 years agoPost 29
krcnz

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- yes back to the thread.

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03-09-2012 07:00 AM  6 years agoPost 30
petiteway

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Align's quality and reliability is still far away from Japanese helicopters, the black shark Fuse is nice but it does not make Trex's quality any better.

I used to fly a couple of Align helis but I have sold all my Align gears after I have tried the Hirobo

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03-09-2012 02:24 PM  6 years agoPost 31
2kwik2c

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Here's my thing: In this hobby, everything are the same; helicopter, equipment, and flying styles. But what separates us apart are the choices we make. In other words several of us have or has their own personal preferences. In this case certain F3C flyers prefer the Hirobo/JR platform whereas the others prefer another brand; be it Thunder Tiger, Align, Rave, etc.
The way I see it is that Align is just entering the arena of F3C flying. Here's a good analogy: It's like boxing. You got Hirobo and JR as the top fighter with years of experience and several title weights under its belt. So when it comes to fight time several watchers will for sure put their bet on the best fighter. While on the other side of the ring you got Align where its just starting its fight; little or no experience at all and still has to earn a title weight. Of course you won't see a majority of watchers betting on an under card, but will still have a few admirers that will try them out.
With Hashimoto-san and Kurokawa-san on board I'm sure they'll be rocking out some new upgrade parts to improve the model further which will help Align climb the ranks and later on compete in a fair fight with Hirobo and JR.
We do have to remember that back in the 70s Hirobo are probably starting that same way as Align. (Not so sure since I was born in 1976) I bet back in those days it's all about the top helis like GMP, Schluter, Kalt, etc. and Hirobo probably got the low end of the stick. I'm pretty sure Align will also follow suit once they've established a foot hold into contest flying. 15 to 20 years from now, they might be the new Hirobo/JR and the household name for F3C....we'll all see.

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03-09-2012 02:34 PM  6 years agoPost 32
synodontis

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something's got to give. . .

I'm not an expert on this, but my general impression is that to get the flight characteristics that is "acceptable" you have to increase quality, there is no two ways about it. Align made their name in 3D and most 3D pilots don't care that much for precision when you read comments from 3D fliers not being able to discern subtle points in CCPM control design and rotor head flight characteristics. It's easier to design a 3D heli than it is a really good F3C heli, and most 3D pilots crash anyway so they want cheap parts.

There's going to come a point where Align will have to either up its quality or it remains in the doldrums of mediocrity. Of course having a good design helps, but there's no point in having an outstanding design with poor execution.

Align needs to get over this reputation of cheap in favour of quality, but somehow I can't see them doing that because its where all of their business comes from.

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03-09-2012 05:55 PM  6 years agoPost 33
reddragon

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There's going to come a point where Align will have to either up its quality or it remains in the doldrums of mediocrity. Of course having a good design helps, but there's no point in having an outstanding design with poor execution.

Align needs to get over this reputation of cheap in favour of quality, but somehow I can't see them doing that because its where all of their business comes from.
Well said.

Wayne - Fly it like you stole it! You're in good hands with Runryder!

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03-09-2012 09:41 PM  6 years agoPost 34
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All of this may be true. However once you have the likes of Mr Hashimoto and Mr Kurokawa with all of their expertise on board, all you need is the will to put the Nuts and Bolts together. The manufactures name is only a name, Companies are made of people that offer experiences and make decisions. Align now have the people which indicates that they have made so decisions; To make a top line F3C machine is now only Nuts and Bolts. I love my Hirobo's but not to the point that I can't recognise another quality machine with a different name... Time will answer most questions...

Yes the Black shark still looks fantastic...

'Life' is Looking Up!!!

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03-09-2012 10:19 PM  6 years agoPost 35
RLHeli

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Clicking the imaginary "Like" button of above post

Sounds like this is not going to be a "on the self" product. Customised color scheme is possbile, in and out of fuse in less than 20mins, no weight, no price yet

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03-09-2012 11:49 PM  6 years agoPost 36
synodontis

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I love my Hirobo's but not to the point that I can't recognise another quality machine with a different name...
I can, it's called subtlety of control, consistency of flights and longevity of parts. you slack on the quality, these things suffer, and sometimes the tolerances can be very slight indeed for it to happen.

Comparing an Eagle 3 to an Align would be like comparing a Mercedes Benz S Class saloon to a Ford Fiesta saloon. I'm sure the Ford will drive nice, just wouldn't be in the same class as the Merc would it?

I'm sure Align is quite capable, as you say, of being on par in putting quality stuff as any other manufacturer, the only question would be if they will do it and if they can see their customers willing to justify the extra expense for them to do so. At least in Hirobo's and JR's case they don't pull any punches regarding what they are about.

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03-10-2012 02:39 AM  6 years agoPost 37
krcnz

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This is the point I was trying to make:
Comparing an Eagle 3 to an Align would be like comparing a Mercedes Benz S Class saloon to a Ford Fiesta saloon. I'm sure the Ford will drive nice, just wouldn't be in the same class as the Merc would it?
But isnt it still great that another company is making an F3C styled machine (good bad ugly pretty or otherwise) that allows people to enter this aspect of the sport. The Align will never be a JR or Hirobo - until it has had 15-20 renditions and upgrades likes the others have had. There are however other threads on here that wonder if anyone new or young is going to get into this discipline. My two cents is not many will test their toe at the price of an Eagle. Currently you virtually go from a 3D 700 to an Eagle or Sylphide and just recently you had a good option to go to a RAVE. And now Nick Maxwell is with Thunder Tiger you might have an option for one of those(???) But if Align can produce a machine to allow someone get into the discipline easier - then that is fantastic - they can then up grade (if needed) when their skills and requirements suit....

Just remember no one flew an Align 5-10 years ago - they just werent around - if they get into the game, retain the great pilots and get serious - dont be complacent they cant get up there very quickly...

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03-10-2012 03:08 AM  6 years agoPost 38
Santiago P

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The TT E720 is already a really good F3C machine at a fraction of the cost of the Eagle and Sylphide and light years ahead in quality to Align. Guys only remove the center spindle pivot and got to town with it (Gordy, & Wayne Mann) I expect to see more of them.
The Vibe E12 is also a very good candidate for a slighly more, but still less than half than the elite machines.

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If Align inproves their f3c entry, bumps the material, hardware and quality, it will likely bump the price to...

...the same $ level of the TT E720 or the Vibe E12.

Nothing really changes, the entry $ level remains the same.

OR

do you think they can produce better f3c hardware at supemarket cost?
Fool yourself if you think that is possible.

santiago

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03-10-2012 03:12 AM  6 years agoPost 39
MANCHA

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It is good for the market to have a low budget F3C heli, for those of us who have good Eagles in our hangars a good trainer sounds great.

My eagles fly 2 months a year; prior to our "Copa Mexico" and then go on storage.

I practice with my JRs, 2 SG90 and a vibe50, all setted up for FAI practice.

This option is not bad, it actually may poke on Tunder Tiger and other name brands to pursue this "new" niche !

MANCHA

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04-09-2012 11:08 AM  6 years agoPost 40
RLHeli

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I was hoping $499
http://www.align.com.tw/shop/index....129&language=en
but they are $696.99

Like the DFCs they are not your usual ALIGN upgrades.

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