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01-26-2012 05:23 AM  6 years agoPost 141
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01-26-2012 07:42 AM  6 years agoPost 142
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HeliCommand HC3-sx....does it work for you?
Ya baby it does !

i just got done doing some trim flights on my test stand and so far theres no hickups or funny biz, no tail wags, no oscillations of any kind, just nice and steady hovering, YES i love this thing already !!!

can't wait to get this thing out to the wide open spaces !!!

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01-27-2012 07:32 PM  6 years agoPost 143
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Ok, gonna test out the horizon mode on my flybared trex 600e. Just curious, the manual says not to use any dual rates in horizon mode, how about expo? Greg

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01-27-2012 07:59 PM  6 years agoPost 144
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Expo is OK. The caution on D/R is that if you reduce the cyclic rate too much you would not have enoungh stick authority to override the self-leveling. This could (in extreme cases) lead to not being able to control the machine.

You must always have a symmetrical pitch curve with 0 at center stick when using any of the 3D "rescue" modes that include collective pitch.

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01-27-2012 09:03 PM  6 years agoPost 145
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You must always have a symmetrical pitch curve with 0 at center stick when using any of the 3D "rescue" modes that include collective pitch.
i don't know if i agree with that, it seems to me that what ever your pitch curve in the tx is set to that the HC3-SX when acro with pitch is used that it overides your pitch curve and pitchs the blades to whatever you have the HC3-SX set to in the pitch travel settings in the GUI, at least thats the way it seems to me to be.....

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01-27-2012 09:09 PM  6 years agoPost 146
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Not using the rescue mode, just horizon. Was told can use an asymetrical curve with hoerizon mode when on the phone with danny)F1 rocket). Get to the chopper, you sort of brought up another question of mine, pitch curves are still set in the tx? Not in the programming of the unit? Greg

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01-27-2012 10:49 PM  6 years agoPost 147
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pitch curves are still set in the tx? Not in the programming of the unit? Greg
i believe so, i read this from the HeliCommand Support Team
it is not that urgent to watch for a linear pitch curve. Actually if linear or not isn't of any interest for the HeliCommand and is not stated as this in the manual anywhere. Only the end points of the Diagnose's collective bar should be reached, so the HC knows the full travel.

In the case of flying scale it is even ok to use Dual Rate to tame the heli and get the curve down. Everything will work fine for sure. Expo of course is also allowed to be used in the Tx.

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01-27-2012 11:15 PM  6 years agoPost 148
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If you don't have zero in the middle
Then you may find that the heli climbs faster when Capt. Rescue has the controls upright than inverted. If you're really off like hover at mid stick, in this case it might barely climb in inverted and climb at a good clip upright.

This assumes you've set the collective pitch in the software low, like 4 to 6 as at a very high setting (not recommended by me) you may not be able to distinguish climb speed differences.

Also of interest, the bigger your pitch range is, the faster the heli will climb and the more touchy the collective stick will be around hover. For example, if you have an electric with +/- 14 degrees of pitch you may find that it will climb at the same pace on 4 as another heli set to 5 (in the software) with +/- 12 degrees of pitch.

Just my observations.

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01-28-2012 01:31 AM  6 years agoPost 149
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i have zero in the middle
but my pitch curve is not straight and when i hit the "Captain Rescue" button the collective goes right to the predetermined spot (degrees of pitch) that i had set, and when it's right side up it's pos pitch, and when it's right side down it's neg pitch, it's seems to be the same amount pos or neg pitch, now when i let go of the "Captain Rescue" button the collective goes to where my stick is at that moment, at least thats what it seems like.....
Also of interest, the bigger your pitch range is, the faster the heli will climb and the more touchy the collective stick will be around hover. For example, if you have an electric with +/- 14 degrees of pitch you may find that it will climb at the same pace on 4 as another heli set to 5 (in the software) with +/- 12 degrees of pitch.
i agree with that assessment...

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01-28-2012 01:38 AM  6 years agoPost 150
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i agree with that assessment...
Yes,

That parameter is not directly related to a value of pitch but to a % of your overall pitch, at least that has been what my testing shows.

Rob

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01-28-2012 01:40 AM  6 years agoPost 151
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That is all correct
i hit the "Captain Rescue" button the collective goes right to the predetermined spot (degrees of pitch) that i had set, and when it's right side up it's pos pitch, and when it's right side down it's neg pitch, it's seems to be the same amount pos or neg pitch, now when i let go of the "Captain Rescue" button the collective goes to where my stick is at that moment, at least thats what it seems like.....
Does the heli climb at the same pace inverted and upright? If so then I would expect you to see the heli climb at the same pace inverted and upright at full collective. In my helis this always translates to uneven pitch, in other words more on one top end than the other, but that's what my heli needs to perform the same, most likely due to aerodynamic efficiencies.

If you have less than 100% gain on Captain Rescue then you can override the pitch climb rate while he's flying. If you have 100% gain then the preprogrammed setting cannot be overridden.

I prefer low rates of climb and no override in case of panic its better.

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01-28-2012 07:35 AM  6 years agoPost 152
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heli climb at the same pace inverted and upright
you might be right on the climb rate question, i haven't had a chance to compair the two in the field yet, i was just going by the degrees of blade pitch as seen on the bench.
I prefer low rates of climb and no override in case of panic its better.
ya, i don't really want my to go ballistic when i hit the "Captain Rescue" button.....

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01-28-2012 12:48 PM  6 years agoPost 153
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Then start with the pitch travel at 4 or 5 in the Horizon tab, this sets how fast it increases altitude when "Captain Rescue" is activated. With my heli and 11-12 degrees of pitch, 4 was right for me. It is a slow climb, I wish there was a "3.5" to try too.

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01-28-2012 04:52 PM  6 years agoPost 154
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I like my rescue mode to be setup very violent and a very fast climb rate, this is helpful when practicing new 3d close to the ground.

It's all personal preference/application based that is why I am glad that Helicommand gave us the option to change these parameters.

Rob

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01-28-2012 05:05 PM  6 years agoPost 155
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I like my rescue mode to be setup very violent and a very fast climb rate, this is helpful when practicing new 3d close to the ground.
I hadn't thought of it that way, you bring up a very good point, i might have to re-think that hole setting as thats a big part of why i bought the HC3-SX for in the first place....

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01-28-2012 07:24 PM  6 years agoPost 156
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after reading this
it is not that urgent to watch for a linear pitch curve. Actually if linear or not isn't of any interest for the HeliCommand and is not stated as this in the manual anywhere. Only the end points of the Diagnose's collective bar should be reached, so the HC knows the full travel.
In the case of flying scale it is even ok to use Dual Rate to tame the heli and get the curve down. Everything will work fine for sure. Expo of course is also allowed to be used in the Tx.

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i don't believe this is correct Danny
You must always have a symmetrical pitch curve with 0 at center stick when using any of the 3D "rescue" modes that include collective pitch.
when using "3D "rescue" modes" the HeliCommand ignores the TX pitch curve and uses the degrees of pitch you have set in the GUI setup program and will be the same amount of pitch whether or not it's pos or neg pitch.....

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01-29-2012 12:36 AM  6 years agoPost 157
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i don't believe this is correct Danny
You must always have a symmetrical pitch curve with 0 at center stick when using any of the 3D "rescue" modes that include collective pitch.
What is stated is the HC software is: " Allowed only for models with exactly symmetric c.pitch range (positive = negative,
in the diagnose tab, and at the rotor blades' angle of attack)". So, I was a bit off in my statement. I should have said range in place of curve.

I am terribly sorry for this and apologize for any inconvenience it may have caused you. I've slapped myself twice (OUCH!)

Danny

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01-29-2012 02:39 AM  6 years agoPost 158
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Danny,

For the sake of making this next question available to the masses I am asking it here. There seems to be a lot of traffic here so I hope this will be beneficial to many...

When downloaded parameters from the helicommand website that are model specific (like the T700n), can the parameters from an HC3-Extreme be downloaded and then imported into the HC3-SX?

What controllers can share files? Are they only usable with the exact same controllers?

Here is a download page for the Extreme profiles, but can folks buying the SX unit use them?

http://www.helicommand.com/index.ph...mid=103&lang=en

Tyler

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01-29-2012 02:58 AM  6 years agoPost 159
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The Xtreme does not support the same features as the SX so they are not fully compatible. For the pages that match there is no issue. For example; you can load the Rigid page from the SX into an Xtreme. The XBase does not support loading or saving a preset file.

Danny

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01-29-2012 04:44 AM  6 years agoPost 160
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I am terribly sorry for this and apologize for any inconvenience it may have caused you. I've slapped myself twice (OUCH!)

Danny
Hey Danny please don't apologise for trying to help people, it's not a big deal, together we can work though any problem so we all can all have some fun in are lifes and i'm sure everyone welcomes your help as do i, keep up the great work that you do !!!

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