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01-25-2012 12:10 PM  6 years agoPost 121
DEMONjoe

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you talked about "importing the tape" it made it seem like you really like it ?

thats why i asked ! the "NO way" was unnecessary when a simple no would do.......
Was just kidding...sorry if that wasn't clear enough ;-)
And no worries, I did not get this wrong :-)

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01-25-2012 12:21 PM  6 years agoPost 122
DEMONjoe

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Power to the HeliCommand units
Just once more from my side:
In any case, if possible, power the HC directly (the RC module in case of the M-series) to provide shortest power ways to the servos.
There is one exception, where this won't work: if you use an external main receiver (no S.BUS or sats on the unit itself) and the supplied cable loom to connect it to the HC, then you will have to connect your ESC with built-in BEC to the Rx. This means the power will go through the 2 3-pin cables (ail and elev) of the cable loom to the HC and the servos. This is basically fine, as these can handle up to 10A without problems, 12A in short terms (in tests they burned at a min of 17,2A, but do not try to reach that ;-) ).
Of course, if you have a ESC/BEC with a slave output, plug at least this into the HC directly.

Just to sum all up again, hope I made it clear for any case.

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01-25-2012 03:26 PM  6 years agoPost 123
GetToDaChopper

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hey Joachim maybe you can anwser this, what effect could fluctuating supply voltage have on the HC3-SX or does the HeliCommand level out fluctuating supply voltage with some sort of internal regulator?

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01-25-2012 04:35 PM  6 years agoPost 124
DEMONjoe

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supply voltage buffer in HC X-series
Well, yes, there is a buffer, but only for real short low voltage peaks, you know, those of the 15ms kind. Actually we can buffer up to 150-200ms, but only for the HC of course, not the servos :-)
This buffer of course is insufficient if you have a low or dead battery, not necessary to mention this actually I think....but I do, just in case.
Size of this buffer basically is only restricted by the small building of these units. But that's another story, which I think noone needs.

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01-25-2012 04:40 PM  6 years agoPost 125
rbort

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These units are fantastic
I just sold my CGY750 on the electric than I won at OHB and put helicommand in. It flies BETTER with helicommand lands with NO tipever tendancy in the auto, with CGY750 I tipped it twice just touching the blade to the ground and it bounced back upright. With the helicommand no trouble at all even at slow head speed with big inputs from me.

Also with cgy750 fly forward hands off straight and level. Fly backwards hands off, rolls right. With helicommand forward and backwards hands off straight and level.

Disclaimer, I did NOT tweak cgy750 in any way except reduce the elevator gain from 85% to 75% as Matt Botos had it set up because it used to bebop in fast forward flight. Other than that its how he flies it and I feel the helicommand is the ticket for me

And did I mention Captain Rescue? He flies with me everytime I go out and that guy blows everthing else out of the water!!

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01-25-2012 05:40 PM  6 years agoPost 126
Bell Bloke

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Ok Gents, was out today with my borrowed unit, flew the **** off my old testbed helicopter.
The old heli doesn't have much grunt these days(Old Lipos from 1950s...joke but they are 5C ) but with horizon mode on all the time I put it in a verticle dive and pulled up into a loop then let go of the stick, heli leveled itself perfectly. generaly thrashed around doing tight turns, stall turns etc, all OK so far, unit always seems to know which way up it is no matter how much I try and confuse it.

Still not used 'Captain Bailout' I dont think I need it do I, since I am in Horizon mode all the time?

Anyways..
Still very impressed.
But still very cautious, as this particular unit has one crashed dead heli chalked up to it.
This looks like a power supply issue, thus far since on my machine its been fine........so far.

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01-25-2012 05:41 PM  6 years agoPost 127
love for scale

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Here is a new question! On a 4 blade head, what kind of blades should I be using? Flybarless blades? Or just any multiblade sets? Carbon fiber? Etc. Greg

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01-25-2012 08:52 PM  6 years agoPost 128
BABoyd

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HC3-SX Problems Please help!!!
New HC3-SX, Spectrum DX-8 TX, Two Spectrum sats DSMX, Trex 500 with stock servos and esc. Installed HC3-SX and hovered with no problems. I realized I had to download new firmware and software for DSMX to work. After downloading 114 & V4.2 the servos are glitching and the sats are intermediatly going on and off. Has anybody got a solution to my problem??? Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!

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01-25-2012 09:01 PM  6 years agoPost 129
DEMONjoe

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Here is a new question! On a 4 blade head, what kind of blades should I be using? Flybarless blades? Or just any multiblade sets? Carbon fiber? Etc.
For a scale machine like this (I guess) I think you can almost use any blade basically.
I would go for a FB blade, as these are more stable as far as I felt it so far, less aggressive. So if not going hard 3D, FB blades are not too bad for me myself.

Any pros comments on this? I am not in blades :-)

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01-25-2012 09:03 PM  6 years agoPost 130
DEMONjoe

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New HC3-SX, Spectrum DX-8 TX, Two Spectrum sats DSMX, Trex 500 with stock servos and esc. Installed HC3-SX and hovered with no problems. I realized I had to download new firmware and software for DSMX to work. After downloading 114 & V4.2 the servos are glitching and the sats are intermediatly going on and off. Has anybody got a solution to my problem??? Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!
I suggest to check the power supply. Make sure you get min 5,5V into the unit when using sats on the HC.
Had the same effect on the sats when using a 4 cell pack NiMH (only for test purpose!) with Spektrum sats. 5 cells or 2S LiPo with 5,6V BEC was fine then.

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01-25-2012 09:31 PM  6 years agoPost 131
F1 Rocket

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After downloading 114 & V4.2 the servos are glitching and the sats are intermediatly going on and off. Has anybody got a solution to my problem???
If you are using the stock Align ESC please reset the BEC output to 6v. This should take care of your problem.

Danny

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01-25-2012 09:40 PM  6 years agoPost 132
Tyler

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I don't fly aggressive 3D. I opted to save cash and try the standard FB blades I had been using all along. I figured it could only save me money if they worked and I would only invest in FBL blades if the testing wasn't satisfactory.

I am still flying FB blades on my FBL machines with great results. I did buy some FBL blades after destroying my original FB stirrers. I could be happy with either choice. However, I am not reluctant to snag up a great set of FB blades from the for sale forums if the price is tempting enough. As most pilots transition over they want to recoup some of the costs to buy dedicated FBL blades.

I honestly believe we flew very stable blades for years. Then stick banger blades were developed to increase cyclic speed when using a Flybar. Then, when fly-bar-less controllers entered the scene stick bangers were too fast and unstable. Blade manufacturers then added the weight they had previously shaved off to create the stick bangers. Now, the stable blades were labeled and marketed as FBL blades when in fact they were about the same thing everyone was flying with a flybar. Marketing and supply/demand caused a cycle to take place on the market. True dedicated FBL blades are commonly considered too stable and slow for advanced sport and 3D flying.

Perhaps super heavy blades are desired for scale. If so, dedicated FBL blades might be your best choice. Otherwise, if you already have FB blades on hand you may want to give them a try.

I do believe there are slight differences on where the weight is for each style of blade, too, not just overall weight. FBL blades have more tip weight and leading edge weight I think.

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01-25-2012 11:16 PM  6 years agoPost 133
GetToDaChopper

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and this has to do with the HeliCommand HC3-sx how ???
lol jk i'm just giving ya a hard time

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01-25-2012 11:59 PM  6 years agoPost 134
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Read question posted above, go to chop.

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01-26-2012 12:37 AM  6 years agoPost 135
BABoyd

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HC3-SX Spectrum Sat & servo glitching problem
Thanks for the fast reply Joachim HC! Made sure ESC was set on 6V, still had same problem. Pluged 7.4V lipo directly into HC3, same problem. I unpluged sat closest to light and everything works as it should, soon as sat is pluged back in the problem starts back. Is there anything I can do to fix this, or is it a problem with the HC3??

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01-26-2012 12:48 AM  6 years agoPost 136
TomC

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Might be a problem with one of your sat's. Make sure they are both either dsm2 or dsmx, not one of each. Also, maybe try a rebind via hc software. Also, maybe try another sat?

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01-26-2012 02:35 AM  6 years agoPost 137
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Spectrum sat glitch
Have 2 new sats in package with new wires. I've replaced 1 at a time with the new ones. All 4 of the sats are DSMX. Tried rebinding many many times to DSMX in HC3 menu. I had no problems till I updated to 114 & V4.2 I installed HC3-SX out of package hovered it one time, everything was perfect! Then I realized I had to update firm & soft ware for DSMX to work. Had problems ever since!!

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01-26-2012 02:51 AM  6 years agoPost 138
Jockobadger

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I've done the update from 113 to 114 also. I seem to recall reading in the manual that when you do the firmware update, you should go back and reset all the parameters. I know that's what I did and I haven't had any problems like you describe. I too use the DX8 and sats. I did have problems with the mixing on my Tx, but that had nothing to do with the HC3. You might try that - certainly won't take long now that you're familiar with the software. Just a thought. Good luck - you'll get it.

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01-26-2012 04:43 AM  6 years agoPost 139
BABoyd

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Spectrum sat glitch
As soon as I installed new firm & software I went completly back through set up parameters. Starting to think somthing happen in downloading process and screwed up the one sat port. I've tried to reinstall firm & software with no luck. Says already exists. I just can't wait to fly this thing! Heard so much great stuff about capt. rescue? Hopefully all these speed bumps are worth it??

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01-26-2012 05:17 AM  6 years agoPost 140
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keep at it - you'll get it figured out.
You'll be delighted when you do.

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