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01-30-2012 07:20 PM  6 years agoPost 181
Bell Bloke

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I'm no expert on this but, yes your computer does not save the settings.
The settings are saved on your HC3SX.
Then when you connect to a PC, the PC reads it from the HC3SX.

That's how I understand it, and it makes sense when you think about it as evertime you hook up to a PC the software asks to read the HC3SX.

All the best Bell Bloke

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01-30-2012 07:33 PM  6 years agoPost 182
GetToDaChopper

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Yes ! thank you thats what i'm saying here and i i'm just trying to get some confirmation on this point, i don't see the big deal here as a member here sent me a PM stating that he thought my intention was to pick a fight, this is NOT my intention at all !

i i'm just trying to understand my HC3-SX the best i can so i can get the most out of it !

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01-30-2012 07:36 PM  6 years agoPost 183
maveric4

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Joachim HC

Ok I am still rather confused. sorry about that.

GetToDaChopper wrote a post regarding the setup of this unit which was very informative.

GetToDaChopper

I am not douting what you posted just want Joachim to make it a bit more clearer so that I can understand.

Joachim

You said the HC does not learn anything and is not taught anything.
When programing I understand that the end points in the collective diagnose bar have to be met.
Once this is done does the HC remember this.
If so then there is no problem and the following pitch curves should work OK

Hold -2 inh 0 inh +6
Norm -2 inh 0 inh +6
Idle1 -2 inh 0 inh +6
idle2 -6 inh 0 inh +6
These would be for a biginner.
Once then bars in the collective diagnose have been met would reducing the pitch curves to the above work with captain rescue or would I have to increase all pitch curves to something like -11inh 0 inh +11 for captain rescue to work.

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01-30-2012 07:39 PM  6 years agoPost 184
GetToDaChopper

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You said the HC does not learn anything and is not taught anything.
When programing I understand that the end points in the collective diagnose bar have to be met.
Once this is done does the HC remember this.
no the end points and the 0% center signal = 0° attack angle on the diagnose page GUI setup program are set in the TX and are saved in the TX, all other settings are saved in the HC3-SX

things like % of pitch for rescue mode or tail servo travel limits or mounting side or swash type or main rotor direction and the list gos on and on, all those "settings" have to be "saved" in the unit when you "write" them to the HC3-SX.....
I am not douting what you posted just want Joachim to make it a bit more clearer so that I can understand.
i would like this as well.....

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01-30-2012 07:58 PM  6 years agoPost 185
maveric4

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GetToDaChopper

Ok I think I understand now sorry it took so long.

I was Thinking that we are trying to teach the HC what the end points are, by reaching the bar in the diagnose menu.

I thought that if we increased pitch we would move closer to that bar and decreased it would move further away. Can you see why I would have thought a pitch curve of -2 inh 0 inh +6 would not work.

I understand now that this has nothing at all to do with pitch or cyclic throw but just setting the radio end points (atv)for pitch ail ele rud to meet the diagnose bar. After that you can run any pitch curve you want, as you said.

I am sorry but somehow this was my interpretation.

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01-30-2012 08:20 PM  6 years agoPost 186
Tyler

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I think of it as a process to calibrate the radio and controller to each other.

Enjoy things that money can buy IF you don't lose the things money can't buy.

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01-30-2012 08:27 PM  6 years agoPost 187
F1 Rocket

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OK, I’ll have a go at explaining this. TX travels need to be set to drive the bars in the Diagnose page the full amount (100%) so the correct travel values are set later in the Tail and Mixer pages. These travel values set the maximum amount the HC will move the swashplate and tail slider. Once these are set you can reduce them in the TX as needed. So, it is OK to use D/R and fly with an unbalanced pitch curve so long as the complete setup was done with the Diagnose bars moving the correct amount.

Danny

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01-30-2012 10:04 PM  6 years agoPost 188
RobMcQuillen

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Good explanation! No need to slap yourself in the face this time!

Short and Simple... Do not use D/R or adjust your pitch curve until you are completely done with the setup.

Rob

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01-30-2012 10:10 PM  6 years agoPost 189
maveric4

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How many channels are neccessary to get the best out of this unit.

I will need to add in an engine govenor as well.

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01-30-2012 10:14 PM  6 years agoPost 190
Stephen Born

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How many channels are neccessary to get the best out of this unit.
Good question. I will be using 7 channels for electric bird. Is this sufficient?

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01-30-2012 10:17 PM  6 years agoPost 191
RobMcQuillen

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To take full use of the Helicommand X-series you will need 8ch w/gov or 7ch w/out

It is functional with 6 channels though but you will have to set your tail gain without your transmitter and you will not be able to run a governor.

Edit: Yes, 7ch is sufficient with an E bird, this gives you everything but the use of output 2 (channel 8 for governor)

Rob

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01-30-2012 10:44 PM  6 years agoPost 192
GetToDaChopper

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I understand now that this has nothing at all to do with pitch or cyclic throw but just setting the radio end points (atv)for pitch ail ele rud to meet the diagnose bar. After that you can run any pitch curve you want, as you said.
Yes You've Got It ! also make sure that the 0% center signal = 0° attack angle is set on the diagnose page as well and you are done with that page for good !

unless you change radios of course but thats a dif story.... lol
Ok I think I understand now sorry it took so long.
Noproblamo, no need to apologise my friend.

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01-30-2012 10:47 PM  6 years agoPost 193
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According to the manual, if flying scale, you can have hover pitch mechanically at mid stick, or should I set mechanically to zero at mid, then after diagnose page, plot one ugly curve to get my hover pitch at mid?

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01-30-2012 10:56 PM  6 years agoPost 194
GetToDaChopper

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you should setup the diagnose page first, then you can set whatever pitch curve in the TX you want ones you completed the TX setup in the diagnose page, also make sure that the 0% center signal = 0° attack angle is set on the diagnose page as well and also remember when you hit the "Captain Rescue" button the throttle is still up to you, no throttle = no rescue.
should I set mechanically to zero at mid, then after diagnose page, plot one ugly curve to get my hover pitch at mid?
Yes this is needed for "Captain Rescue" to work right....

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01-30-2012 11:45 PM  6 years agoPost 195
GetToDaChopper

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I just got done doing a maiden flight after work and all i can say is THIS THING ROCKS !!! it flew perfecto and the best thing about it is it does NOT drift off when switching between modes which is something i could never get my skookum 720 to do ! and believe me i tried for a long long time ! this thing is worth every penny i payed for it ! i'm so happy right now !

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01-31-2012 12:23 AM  6 years agoPost 196
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So diagnose page must be zero at mid? Then change curve to my 5 degree pitch at mid?

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01-31-2012 12:56 AM  6 years agoPost 197
Bell Bloke

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Just to clarify what I did Folks.

1.Turn off all Tranny mixes, trims, subtrims, expos, duel rates, gyro mixes, revo mixes, basically everthing.

2.Set all endpoints to defaults and same with pitch curves.

3.Select Swash mix 1, This is a swash setting without a mix in fact.

So now you have a non mixing tranny at the default settings.

Now you wire up the HC 3SX to your specific requirements ie with patch lead or with satelites or S Bus.

4. Just follow the steps in the program menu using only your end points menu on your transmitter to get the guage readings in the software you require.

5.Once all your programming is complete on your PC and you are disconnected from it.
Then you can put what ever trims, subtrims, pitch throttle curves, expos, duel rates you like on your Tranny
Just don't touch the endpoints menu or the swash menu or the gyro menu, on your Tranny as this will bugger things up.

Since I first programmed the HC 3SX a few days ago I havn't had to go back on the PC at all to change anything.
All I do is fly and click in a couple of clicks of trim to help hold the heli in a headwind if there is one.
It's really that simple.
Tip. Set head and tail gyros to 50% for starters.

Now as for the Bail out, granted I havn't gone down that road yet as I am flying either with horizon on or off, and I am not flying 3D with my camera ship.

All the best Bell.

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01-31-2012 01:03 AM  6 years agoPost 198
RobMcQuillen

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Then you can put what ever trims, subtrims
Great post! I just wanted to point out one thing.. you do not want to touch trim or subtrim after calibrating your transmitter to the HC in the diagnose page. Also make sure you do not touch the REV menu either, I have seen guys do that in the past to get there servos moving in the right direction but that will get you all balled up.

Rob

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01-31-2012 01:31 AM  6 years agoPost 199
Bell Bloke

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Hi Rob, damn I knew I'd forgot a menu ie 'rev'
However I am fiddling with my trim when it's windy just to keep it on the spot in a headwind, is this a problem....all seems fine to me so far ie nothing odd has happened.

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01-31-2012 01:41 AM  6 years agoPost 200
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Rob, I am using the DS650 tail servo. The specs on this are 4.8 - 6.0 volts. In setting up the Reactor X2,can I use the regulator at 6.0 for the cyclics and tail servo instead of plugging it in at 5.2v in the HC3-SX?

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