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11-19-2011 01:33 AM  6 years agoPost 41
baby uh1

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So wood alcohol (methanol) isn't a bio-fuel?
And denatured alcohol is ethanol that has been made undrinkable so that it can be sold as a cleaner so i guess it's a safe "bio-fuel"?
This thread makes no sence at all!

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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11-19-2011 02:19 AM  6 years agoPost 42
Dirthead

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I do know that biofuel can be derived from things like switchgrass that grows on land that is unsuitable for crops. But I don't think there is any "biofuel that will ever be as powerful as our beloved nitro.

Keep ur head out the dirt only in the grass

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11-19-2011 04:18 AM  6 years agoPost 43
vic88my

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Nitro is Dangerous
Sigh, education ~ education. Be more learned and think better.
Have a positive good mindset and brain.
Study chemistry , be more learned, consult the professors, scientists and those experts in chemistry as to the dangers.

Prof Lee

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11-19-2011 07:32 AM  6 years agoPost 44
Smok

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I would also advise against eating LiPo batteries

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11-19-2011 02:42 PM  6 years agoPost 45
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Sigh, education ~ education. Be more learned and think better.
Have a positive good mindset and brain.
Study chemistry , be more learned, consult the professors, scientists and those experts in chemistry as to the dangers.
can I say the word idiot?

what you have posted is, at best, information than anyone can find out for themselves. A proper professor would put forward new things that the majority would not know, that's what being at the cutting edge is all about. No one really gets to be a professor unless he's sort of like a leader in his field and can go beyond what the mainstream stuff that's around for public consumption, or can support findings and know the ins and outs of how they are arrived at - the public cannot do this, only specialists.

you have offered nothing but useless stuff that most of us know already, so I what kind of professor are you of? Public relations perhaps?

meanwhile I seriously advise not to put your head in the oven and turn on the gas, it might not be a good use of cooking gas. Also don't drink and fly, that has dire consequences - and none of us here want to be implicated in a possible manslaughter charge.

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11-19-2011 04:08 PM  6 years agoPost 46
rexxigpilot

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From what I can recall about the OS ethanol engine, and probably the reason it was not considered for helicopters, is that it produces too much heat and/or too little cooling. These ethanol powered air cooled engines overheat at high output. Ethanol has about 18% more energy density by volume compared to methanol. So, it is a more powerful fuel. Unfortunately, it also has only about 10% more enthalpy or heat of vaporization. This means that the engine will not stay as cool, since the vaporization process is what does most of cooling of the combustion chamber. Oil is in the fuel primarily for lubrication and there is far too much in our fuels for that, but that's another story. So the heat issue and inceased corrosion is why we still use methanol.

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11-20-2011 01:16 AM  6 years agoPost 47
foolforspeed

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Are you not the same people who grow shrimp in sewage and package em ready to microwave and send em to the US? And now you care about our health?

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11-20-2011 01:39 AM  6 years agoPost 48
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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^^^ You can't generalize an entire country of people based upon one industry.
From what I can recall about the OS ethanol engine, and probably the reason it was not considered for helicopters, is that it produces too much heat and/or too little cooling. These ethanol powered air cooled engines overheat at high output. Ethanol has about 18% more energy density by volume compared to methanol. So, it is a more powerful fuel. Unfortunately, it also has only about 10% more enthalpy or heat of vaporization. This means that the engine will not stay as cool, since the vaporization process is what does most of cooling of the combustion chamber. Oil is in the fuel primarily for lubrication and there is far too much in our fuels for that, but that's another story. So the heat issue and inceased corrosion is why we still use methanol.
This is an aside, but then does an engine which runs on compressed natural gas (which has an even lower heat of vaporization than MeOH) actually run cooler than a methanol based engine?

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11-20-2011 02:11 AM  6 years agoPost 49
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Well, for what I can recall there is nothing here, everything you need to know about Nitro (sold in US) is written on the label... or for the MSDS for that product.

Fly hard, Land safe

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11-20-2011 02:12 AM  6 years agoPost 50
Mputu

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I will keep in mind, and I love Nitro so far... call me whatever...

Fly hard, Land safe

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11-20-2011 02:30 AM  6 years agoPost 51
hotrodvigor

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This thread has NOTHING to do with the pros and cons of nitro fuel, it has nothing to do with safety, dogs , cats, or cake, it has to do with the dude who started this thread to promote and sell batterys, all he has done is stired up S.......with a bunch of Heli lovers, he is from a country where the life expectency is low, kidnapping is high and so is the mercury in their diet, then there is the snake bite death rate,the water that cant be drank, Hep C thats running wild and this freakin nut job is worried about a model fuel......No hes not.....its about selling Batts, there is a better way than to use distorted Propaganda.

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11-20-2011 02:34 AM  6 years agoPost 52
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that's deep...

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11-20-2011 03:21 AM  6 years agoPost 53
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Are you suggesting that "Prof Lee" and Charlie Wang are one and the same?

Seems racist to me. Just because someone is Asian doesn't mean they sell lipos.

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11-20-2011 04:07 AM  6 years agoPost 54
hotrodvigor

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I was there less than a decade ago on business,we were only allowed to go out during the day because of kidnapping and we had to go in pairs,we had to eat out of cans and was not allowed to eat the fish because of mercury levels or drink the water,all water was furinished in bottles we also had to carry snake bite kits, and the dam funny thing is Justin I never seen you there at any time, before someone like you with a mental impairment confuses a very dangerous enviroment being compared to nitro dangers perhaps you should read about cultures.

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11-20-2011 04:23 AM  6 years agoPost 55
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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I'm not debating whether or not Malaysia is dangerous or polluted or what-not. I'm just saying that if someone who has an Asian name comes on this website, you can't instantly assume he is some sort of scam artist trying to promote the sale of lipos or something like that. We need to evaluate this guy on his own merits, and not simply based upon the race or culture he belongs to.

There are people in Iran and Afghanistan who would say all sorts of terrible stuff about us simply because we're born in America.

I cannot subscribe to racism. I am sorry. It's not just cool in my book.

But I do have some issues with this "Prof Lee" guy. I wonder what kind of professor he is, or if he is even a professor at all. Maybe he is trying to sell lipos, or maybe he has some other motive. I haven't figured that one out yet. But I do feel based upon what he has written (and not based upon his name, nationality, or location) that something is not right with him.

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11-20-2011 04:41 AM  6 years agoPost 56
hotrodvigor

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so far YOU are the ONLY ONE using the R word.

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11-20-2011 10:22 AM  6 years agoPost 57
flydan

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Wow this thread got
pretty bad, Hey he was just saying his opinion..
No need to hate him for it.
I just wont listen and going to fly my nitro heli ina couple hours

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11-20-2011 10:24 AM  6 years agoPost 58
sks

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But I do have some issues with this "Prof Lee" guy. I wonder what kind of professor he is, or if he is even a professor at all. Maybe he is trying to sell lipos, or maybe he has some other motive. I haven't figured that one out yet. But I do feel based upon what he has written (and not based upon his name, nationality, or location) that something is not right with him.
Mr Lee could just have the the decency to tell us himself.

I pinked his patronizing post, and he doesn't even have the guts to stand up for himself.

if his motives are to sell batteries then it's pretty amateur and naive to say the least.

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11-20-2011 10:28 AM  6 years agoPost 59
sks

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Wow this thread got
pretty bad, Hey he was just saying his opinion..
No need to hate him for it.
I just wont listen and going to fly my nitro heli ina couple hours
actually he wasn't even stating much of an opinion. rather he was telling us how all of a sudden he realised how toxic nitro is and how he's developing some sort of allergic reaction to it. And then he goes on about better alternatives etc. . . as if most of us are not aware of this (the bio ethanol part I could find out for myself).

for someone to go about the way he did and treat most here as clueless is both utterly insulting but I find it offensive and disgusting to say the least.

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11-20-2011 10:29 AM  6 years agoPost 60
flydan

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He might be mad that ys60 an ys120 are goin to take over..

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