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11-16-2011 01:07 AM  6 years agoPost 1
portuga3D

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Hey everyone, I've been flying for about a year now and I know more than the basics already. However, I don't know the steps on how to pursue 3D flying. Can anyone give me any advice or some steps on how to help me fly 3D, what to practice or any suggestions. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks guys!

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11-16-2011 01:13 AM  6 years agoPost 2
wrongler

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I learned mine watching friends fly and flying on the sim. You can also Google Heli 3D lessons.

Bill Whittaker

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11-16-2011 02:02 AM  6 years agoPost 3
dw12

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IMHO...It is all about stick time and desire!

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11-16-2011 05:40 PM  6 years agoPost 4
ThumbBumper

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Just wondering, have you been out to the TORCHS field if you live in Orlando?

There are a bunch of guys out there that would be more than willing to help you in that direction.

If you don't know where it is, PM me and I'll be happy to send you directions.

Bob

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11-16-2011 08:06 PM  6 years agoPost 5
GroundMagnet

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What are the basics to you?

Can you hover on all 8 orientations?
Can you fly in all 4 orientations?
Can you do all of your hurricanes and funnels?
Can you piro hover upright and inverted?

To me these are some of the basics.
Master the first two and the other two will come a lot easier. Skip any of the first two and the others will soon show you the errors of your ways.

IMO if you master these you will have a solid foundation that will speed up you progression and move you naturally in to 3D.

Once you feel up to it simply pick a move and start practicing it.
Some moves will lend them self’s to other 3D moves and make them easier to learn. Like learning a rolling circle might ease the transition to backward rolling circle (maybe) but, something like learning a piro circle\hurricane will definitely ease the transition to piro anything.

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11-17-2011 09:31 PM  6 years agoPost 6
wifeorheli

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Ive learned to bang the sticks WITHOUT learning the basics but i still feel uncomfatable doing right hand turns. Stupid! LEARN THE BASICS it will pay off in the end its all about orientation. It gets boring learning the orientation but it pays off big time not just learning but in bail outs trying new stuff your ok in any way the heli is sitting.

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11-18-2011 01:12 AM  6 years agoPost 7
JOLT

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I agree with all the above, especially learning orientations upright and inverted as well as flying backward first.

Flips, rolls and loops are cool and all, but if you get into trouble and the heli ends up in an orientation you don't know, you will panic and dump it.

A lot of people start flying around without even knowing nose in. You can always tell a flyer that is trying to run before they can crawl because they avoid certain things and end up much farther out since they can't turn in towards themselves.

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11-18-2011 05:35 AM  6 years agoPost 8
l0n3i200n

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I agree with all the above, especially learning orientations upright and inverted as well as flying backward first.

Flips, rolls and loops are cool and all, but if you get into trouble and the heli ends up in an orientation you don't know, you will panic and dump it.

A lot of people start flying around without even knowing nose in. You can always tell a flyer that is trying to run before they can crawl because they avoid certain things and end up much farther out since they can't turn in towards themselves.
Agree on learn the basics first, I've had to go back and learn left turns since I always turn right, but turning left got me.

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11-18-2011 05:44 PM  6 years agoPost 9
Ladymagic

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I think Jolt says it best thus far. You have stated that you know all the basics, but your definition of the basics and that of a seasoned 3D pilot may differ to some extent.

I've trained several new pilots and my 3D prowess is self taught also. And the very first question I ask when they get to the point that you are is exactly how comfortable are you with the basics? Then I'll have them demonstrate a set numbers of manuavers at my request so I can evaluate where they really are. Generally, they find that they are not as ready as they may have initially thought. I'm not saying that you are necessarily in this catagory, but if you have to ask how to get into 3D training, then you are probably not ready yet.

You can get to the 3D and advanced 3D stage fairly quickly with the appropriate direction, a well tuned heli, and respect for your machine and skill level. Your best bet for success is evalute yourself fairly. Try not to over estimate your skill.

The test I like to run to determine training at this point is pretty simple.

First I'll have the pilot excecute an upright hover at 4 to 5 feet starting tail in. This position is held for about 45 seconds with no bobbling, drifting, or dramtic flight level changes before the next position change will be called. Then, I'll call out a right side or left side on hover. During the transition, the pilot must be able to anticipate the heli's tenancy to want to drift during the yaw, by utilizing a combination of aileron/elevator and rudder. You should be able to transition quickly with minimal changes in flight level and drifting. I will call both a left side and a right side on hover with a both a left and right direction of rotation. You should be able to do both with the same effectiveness. Typically, new pilots who train alone tend to favor one direction. You should definately focus on your weak side more during training to prevent it from becoming a handicap. Finally, I'll call out a nose-in hover. Through out this excersise, I'm looking for a few things, first, accuracy and smoothness, how much over correcting you are doing, and I'm watching the pilot's reactions closely. I can tell by that, that a pilot is not completely comfortable with a given command. Any items noticed during the evaluation is discussed after the heli is grounded. They usually will tell me that was harder than they expected and that's becuase manuavers seem more difficult upon request vs doing them when you feel like it. That's what makes FAI so challanging.

Once that's down, I'll do the same thing only in an inverted hover. When that's good to go, then I'll have them perform some basic 3D like horse shoes, Stall turns, slow reverse circuits, and most importantly, the dreaded Piro hover. The pilot should be able to perform a constant piro while simulataniously control the heli's flight level and position. The pilot should also be able to reposition heli during the the piro anywhere upon request. Additionally, the pilot should able to time and stop the piro at a given orientation. You can perform these excerises on your own, but I do recommend practicing on a good sim first...Good luck and PM me if you would like more detailed instruction. I would be more than happy to help...

Mellisa

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11-18-2011 07:28 PM  6 years agoPost 10
rudyy

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Can you do all of your hurricanes and funnels?
I thought these are already beyond basics. In my book, basics are you can hover in all 8 orientations and fly in all 4 orientations.

If you can do hurricanes and funnels, you are already doing 3D.

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11-18-2011 07:54 PM  6 years agoPost 11
Mputu

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If you can do hurricanes and funnels, you are already doing 3D.
I absolutely agree, those maneuver even though it can be done on upward position are still complex, how ever for some 3D can be define for any inverted maneuver. Inverted hovering can be looked it as basic for some.

Fly hard, Land safe

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11-18-2011 08:09 PM  6 years agoPost 12
Mputu

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Ladymagic, you nailed i, absolutely you have to take your time, more stick time, and master the basics, in simple words, master your orientation first. If you cheat, it will catch up to you and before you know it you start spending money. Do you have a Simulator? if yes which one and if not get one. I started this hobby without the SIM but once got one, I never try a maneuver without it. Again the key to go 3D is to hovering at all orientation upward and Inverted.

Fly hard, Land safe

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11-21-2011 08:20 PM  6 years agoPost 13
portuga3D

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Thanks everyone for all your help!!

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