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11-15-2011 01:11 AM  6 years agoPost 1
mdu6

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It seem they are up to the XG11 now

http://translate.google.ca/translat...s%2Fbulletin%2F

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11-15-2011 01:46 AM  6 years agoPost 2
Fledgling

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XG 11 in the US?
Does anyone know if/when the XG11 would be imported to the US?

I guess that DMSS (right transmission type term?) will be allowed in US and work independent of Spektrum DSM2/DSMX?

But I get that this means all the Spektrum receivers will not work with the new generation of JR transmitters(?)!

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11-15-2011 02:40 AM  6 years agoPost 3
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You're up Tony !

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11-16-2011 01:18 AM  6 years agoPost 4
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Cheers Matey,

Okay... JR and the XG series... ( some of the following info may be slightly incorrect but the gist of it is reasonably accurate)

As you probably know, JR manufacture radio sets and are sold all over the world via Distributors. ModelFlight down under, MacGregors for the UK and a few other European countries and Horizon Hobbies for the Americas.

All went swimmingly until one day, Horizon bought out a small company called Spektrum. JR started to utilise the Spektrum technology in their radios so that they could enter the 2.4 GHz game. (They had their own system at the time but due to certain circumstances they had to shelve it). The agreement was that HH did entry level systems and JR did the rest. Agreement was for 4 or 5 years, so far so good...

At the end of the period, HH introduced the new DX7, DX8 and promised the DX10.

JR was then "allowed" to re-introduce their own system ie the XG series, so they have the XG7, XG8 and have just shown the XG11. An XG6 is planned for next year (or so I believe), a module to convert any 5 pin modular system to the DMSS system is due early next year and probably a revamped 12X ie the XG12 later in the year (but that is sheer guesswork on my part. (Interesting to note that the design date of the XG7 is 2004 !!)

Now... as the DMSS uses a totally different chipset and protocol to DSM/DSM2/DSMX it is now a competing product to the Spektrum brand.

With the massive "customer base" (ie captive audience) with Spektrum systems / Spektrum based systems, it is highly unlikely that HH would bring in a competing system.

The test house that JR uses is authorised to test to multinational standards, ie CTick for Australia, CE testing for Europe and also FCC for the US, so getting it tested and approved is just a formality.

But, if HH isn't going to pay to get it authorised for the US market, who would ?

And you are correct... it will not work with the current set of DSM2/DSM(J)/DSMX receivers.

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12-11-2011 05:36 PM  6 years agoPost 5
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Problem is........
The Spectrum DX8 was a bit of a disaster when it came out.

And now that DSMX is out. Spectrum is showing the flaws associated with DSM2.

For the nay sayers;
The two DSM2 channels can be so close together that in effect you only have one channel. Horizon hobbies replaced my plug in transmitter module for free, after saying that nothing was wrong with it? (I have the old 9303 with a 2.4Ghz plug in module.)

In addition;
Align Assurance has informed me that there is binding issue with the plug in 2.4Ghz modules and My 3Gx. Do they not understand the implied warranty of merchantability?

My question is: if all the radios except mine start hopping, how long before they start hopping on all over my two stationary channels?

I feel the need for a new radio but.... the options are limited.

JR is not allowed to sell the XG series in the US.

Spectrum radio programing is a work in progress.(also known as beta testing)

Futaba has a new technology FHSS only currently sold in their low end transmitters like the TJ6.

What the heck?

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12-11-2011 05:55 PM  6 years agoPost 6
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Futaba "FHSS" is a low end marketing technology designed to separate low end radios from mid and high end radios and will only ever be sold in low end radios. Of course, high end radios will be able to talk to FHSS receivers in foamies.

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12-11-2011 06:07 PM  6 years agoPost 7
Zaneman007

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good to know.

I still want a "legal" XG8.

I emailed JR and ask when they would be available in the US?

I did the same with HH, but all they said was that they got my email.

I think that we should all email them.

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12-14-2011 01:36 AM  6 years agoPost 8
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The scoop
I emailed Horizon Hobbies (HH) and they responded by saying they got my email? So, I emailed JR and they forwarded the email to Horizon Hobbies and HH replied:
Hello Robert,

As stated the XG series of radios is not available from Horizon Hobby at
the current time. It is not all up to us to allow the selling of radios,
JR has to do this as well. These radios are all configured with the DMSS
protocol, not DSMX and that protocol is not currently available for sale
in the US at this time.

Thanks,

Horizon Hobby
As you can see from their reply, I didn't feel that they answered the questions so I sent JR another email asking them to answer the question.

There are two things that I find interesting.
1) Horizon Hobbies ignored my original email, totally.
2) This excerpt from the above response;
It is not all up to us to allow the selling of radios,JR has to do this as well
The dance is on!

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01-08-2012 09:00 PM  6 years agoPost 9
Axeman

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9387ASH Question
Thanks for the info.

So the last piece of the puzzle - do you think HH/Spektrum will ever release a DSMX module so that moduled radios can switch to DSMX from DSM2??

Cheers from New Zealand.

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01-08-2012 09:22 PM  6 years agoPost 10
9387ASH

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Axeman,

Sorry mate, I have no idea if they ever will. Oddly enough they use the same hardware as DSM2 but no doubt it will be a financial decision whether to offer DSMX upgrades from DSM2 modules. If it was my decision and my company, I would want you want to upgrade and buy a DX8 or DX10 and start dropping the module option. Hopefully you would have bought lots of receivers from me and wouldn't be cost effective to jump to a different manufacturer !

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