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11-18-2011 07:44 PM  6 years agoPost 141
Mike Fortin

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A near perfect solution has been found IMHO and you should see pics and a description here shortly.

With this new mod you don't need to cut, drill, Dremel anything. Simply a few turns of your hex driver and your good to go and can make the CoG dead on regardless of what packs your using.

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11-18-2011 07:59 PM  6 years agoPost 142
MinAirUSA

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Here's a very easy solution to an aft CG. It only takes a few minutes, and you can adjust the CG anywhere you want it. All that is required is to simply flip the bottom plate, and mount the batteries to it. I even made my Whiplash nose heavy just to see that it could be done. The picture below shows just how far forward the batteries can be positioned! I also removed the front MA128-58 frame spacer, to show how far the batteries could be slid forward, but removing it wasn't needed to get proper CG with my batteries.

This image shows that MA132-58, the carbon fiber bottom plate mounted with MA0064 m3 x 8 button head bolts instead of the socket bolts.

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11-18-2011 08:04 PM  6 years agoPost 143
Futura SE

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That looks like a nice clean solution and I actually like it better that way as it makes mounting packs easier.

I will give credit where it is due and that is a very nice solution.

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11-18-2011 08:06 PM  6 years agoPost 144
MrMel

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Was discussed on Page 1 in this thread already by Hams
You might be able to flip the bottom frame plate and mount the batteries on top of that, but then you are drastically lowering the vertical cg which is awesome on this heli.
But reason stated in that discussion is why I choose to mount the other plate higher, to keep the higher vertical CoG.

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11-18-2011 08:19 PM  6 years agoPost 145
Mike Fortin

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I just test flew my Whiplash with this mod and it flys perfectly.

There is no decrease in roll and they are as axial as the latter position was.

It also makes removing the packs considerably easier.

Thanks to everyone for contributing their ideas to this thread!

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11-18-2011 08:23 PM  6 years agoPost 146
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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I think that looks better too. Maybe MinAir could source some flat rubber pads to mount on that bottom battery tray to help hold the packs in place (in addition to the Velcro). The other thing I like about this arrangement is that it makes a 14s or even 16s setup possible. And friends, you know that 14s and 16s setup will be here before you know it.

Nice job guys!

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11-18-2011 08:42 PM  6 years agoPost 147
Mike Fortin

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The other plus to this is that it keeps the structural integrity of the model intact and can be done when building a new model without having to mod it after the model is already built.

In a very short time there has been several suggestions by many people on how to enhance the CoG on the model so there is certainly something for everyone regardless of what your setup may be.

Gracias to everyone for your valuable input and hopefully this makes your ownership experience that much better.

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11-18-2011 09:10 PM  6 years agoPost 148
TomC

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Probably the best/easiest solution for now. Still gives guys the option to use the top plate, or mod it like eddiscus (sloped down and moved forward).

Now we just need to fix that nitro-based tail servo location/link, lol!

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11-18-2011 11:00 PM  6 years agoPost 149
kcordell

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FuturaSE:
Not all electric pilots think that they don't want or need RX packs. As you may have seen or noticed, many use RX packs for a variety of reasons, one being reliability. If power system batteries fail, I still have control (and the opposite can be said if the RX power system fails, I agree). I have been in electrics since the days of the 'Clintstone' MA Razor and have run RX packs in all of my models. The weight difference between RX pack/regulator vs. BEC is very small, plus with the power systems we are running, it doesn't appear to be much of an issue anyway.
Options are given in the instructions for electronics placement. If not running a separate battery pack, the ESC can be mounted far forward on the front tray helping with balance issues.
Too much nitpicking going on about a model that has only been out less than a month. Build the model, fly it and then make observations. I will have to admit, after I completed mine, I never looked at the balance until I started seeing posts here about it. Then I checked and depending on which battery packs I used, I was anywhere from slightly tail heavy to perfect balance. It sure didn't seem to affect the way the model flew from flight to flight with different batteries. Yes, there are items that can and will be changed. Yes, it was designed around a limited set of electronics, but it would probably still not be released if every possible configuration had to be tested.

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11-18-2011 11:18 PM  6 years agoPost 150
Riq

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This allows for all kinds of battery mounting solutions. A guy could use long config 6s packs on top and bottom, or even one of the std packs to get the cg up, if they felt necessary. Obviously Mike said it rolls fine so it just adds more options.

Nice.

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11-19-2011 04:53 AM  6 years agoPost 151
jadams

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I would never run anything bigger than a trex 550 without a separate receiver pack. My Furion 6 is on 10s and has a lifepo4 pack strapped to the side for the electronics. The power that is made and drawn in a 10s and 12s Heli makes it for me a no brainer to run a separate pack. When you are only getting 4 or so minutes a flight why would you trust running all the electronics to a flight pack which IMO is more likely to fail than a separate receiver pack. There is no benefit running a BEC. You can get a lifepo4 pack and run everything at 6v, for around $20.
Its just my opinion...I prefer this setup.

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11-19-2011 05:09 AM  6 years agoPost 152
eddiscus

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+1 on the separate receiver pack.

With the high demands we are placing on the ESC I like the added peace of mind a separate receiver pack offers. There is always the possibility of the receiver pack failing. But with proper charging habits you should be able to catch a failing pack before something bad happens.

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11-19-2011 05:31 AM  6 years agoPost 153
MrMel

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And i would never consider a flightpack or regulator again, only BEC.

But thats another discussion, but point is we all have different requirements and saying a heli has to use one thing or another is bad practice IMHOP.

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11-19-2011 07:46 AM  6 years agoPost 154
misskimo

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Well , Bec here, 2004. I went with A Bec on 14s.
About this heli. I've heard allot of things about the new ma.
Yeh. I wasn't to fond of Tim. But who was? But he did have qc imbedded in his brain, From what I heard. It's not up to par. Head design People not happy with it, put together too quick,
The well throught out frames seam to be like the show my wife watches. . CHOPPED. A food show,

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11-19-2011 09:55 AM  6 years agoPost 155
Futura SE

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The only people with one or two exceptions that use a RX on a electric is a Castle pilot and trust me you don't want to go there.

Kontronik Jive pilots use the bulletproof built in BEC and I have been for over 3 years now. 8717's and all.

As Fredrick said, I would never consider a RX pack on a e-model ever again.

Back to the point, which is this model was created with little thought to products other than what bobby ran and it shows bad. It was a great save by the tray being able to be mounted low. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.

Bottom line is machine should have been tested with a Castle and Jive both and a Futaba, Beast X and V-bar as 99% of people will use one of those. Optimized for great flight with any of the three. Putting a Jive on it and omitting the RX pack would have sown this problem before machine was ever flown.

Curtis in building Rave's tests with V-bar and his own Total G's as he knows many will use a vbar. He test with Jives and Castles. It is just common sense. No I don't own a Rave either.

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11-19-2011 01:56 PM  6 years agoPost 156
rich m

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When you are only getting 4 or so minutes a flight why would you trust running all the electronics to a flight pack which IMO is more likely to fail than a separate receiver pack. There is no benefit running a BEC. You can get a lifepo4 pack and run everything at 6v, for around $20.
In three years of flying 600 size electrics I have never had a flight pack fail. I have also never used anything but a BEC. To me running a rx pack means I have to remember to charge it and check it. If I run a BEC every time I plug a battery it is charged.
The only people with one or two exceptions that use a RX on a electric is a Castle pilot and trust me you don't want to go there.
I don't understand why we don't want to go there. I use CC and a BEC without any problems. I have had 2 CC's burn up and never had a BEC fail. In fact I never did any damage to the machine from the esc burning up. I had to clean up a lot of soot but that's it.

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11-19-2011 02:27 PM  6 years agoPost 157
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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1+ for BEC.

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11-19-2011 02:36 PM  6 years agoPost 158
Furyous

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BEC all the way Jive, or not.

I have a Castle 120 V2 that I will be running with a Gryphon BEC.

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11-19-2011 03:19 PM  6 years agoPost 159
GyroFreak

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I have had 2 CC's burn up and never had a BEC fail.
Interesting. Thanks for that input.

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11-19-2011 04:37 PM  6 years agoPost 160
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Is there a thread anywhere documenting the weight of this aircraft with various combinations of batteries, motors, and speed controllers?

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